bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, colhint said: Do you have permission to post that? I fear you may have just infringed EU copyright law if you don't. No enacted yet, thankfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, bickster said: No enacted yet, thankfully I'd love to know how they plan to enforce this. It's a truly crazy law trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted log ago. From a purely 'Brexit' perspective, it's incredibly frustrating when you've tried to educate some people who've fallen for the lies about the EU and you get stuff like this. Not that the EU have a monopoly on stupid law making but you know how this is going to be used by some very prominent throbbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: I'd love to know how they plan to enforce this. It's a truly crazy law trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted log ago. From a purely 'Brexit' perspective, it's incredibly frustrating when you've tried to educate some people who've fallen for the lies about the EU and you get stuff like this. Not that the EU have a monopoly on stupid law making but you know how this is going to be used by some very prominent throbbers. In or Out, our government will copy it anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The Honourable Member for Riyadh switches sides: 'I addressed the ERG last night, as did some of my other fellow Tory MPs, and we basically said to them the time has come now to back the prime minister’s deal. The prime minister’s deal turns out to be the least worst option out of all the options which parliament are now putting forward. We were very concerned about aspects of it but frankly it’s a dream compared to a full blown customs union, another referendum or a single market agreement with the European Union that doesn’t fulfil what our constituents voted for. I think when we debated this issue last night, it was six of one and half a dozen of the other when it came to the speakers, both for and against. There is definitely a palpable shift. It was a trickle, now it’s a flow. We Brexiteers are playing with fire, and we could get very, very burnt if this deal doesn’t get through.' https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/26/brexit-government-may-ignore-result-of-indicative-votes-process-says-hancock-live-news?page=with:block-5c9a57a8e4b0a127cdabd2a1#block-5c9a57a8e4b0a127cdabd2a1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: the least worst option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, bickster said: In or Out, our government will copy it anyway The futility is so comforting isn't it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, VILLAMARV said: the least worst option The best option and only option now is too use the medium of "It's a knockout" too decide. Clear winner every week. It will be better than the pool's panel meeting tomorrow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The best option and only option now is too use the medium of "It's a knockout" too decide. Clear winner every week. It will be better than the pool's panel meeting tomorrow. Stuart Hall's free... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 hours ago, snowychap said: 9 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: This is big news, not because it's surprising (he won't be the only one coming to this realisation this morning) but because it a] signifies the beginning of the disintegration of the ERG as a cohesive Parliamentary bloc, and b] signifies the decoupling of the ERG and the DUP as voting blocs. The parliamentary maths for the deal is still difficult; last time there were only 7 other yes votes (4 independent, 3 Labour) which doesn't even cover the DUP let alone anyone like Bridgen(?) or Redwood(?) who may be permanently irreconcilable to May's WA. I do think that Mogg is 'coming round' to May's deal partly because he has some belief in the idea that, with an alternative 'hard Brexit' Tory leader, they'd renege on it and hang the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 hours ago, bickster said: See, this is the whole stupidity of Brexit in one small sentence, we do not lose "EU rules and regulation" "EU Laws" or "Regain our sovereignty", whichever way it's worded by leaving. Want to trade with the EU, you still have to comply, so even under WTO rules, YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY The law is dreadful by the way but that's beside the point Yep - but there are some who dont even want to trade with the EU. Any new trade deals with any country will contain such tie ins to an extent. Dont forget this is only how we leave the eu - how we operate as a country could quite easily be decided by Boris Johnson ....in any case we look set to descend into a singapore type country, low tax, low regulation, no public services - a sweat shop for the few rich tories ...a lot of who will/do reside abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, desensitized43 said: From a purely 'Brexit' perspective, it's incredibly frustrating when you've tried to educate some people who've fallen for the lies about the EU and you get stuff like this. Not that the EU have a monopoly on stupid law making but you know how this is going to be used by some very prominent throbbers. True. But then all you need to do is point out the "get your pornography pass from WH Smith" legislation that the UK Government is doing, and it turns out the flawed European internet legislation is the height of sanity compared to what we manage on our own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, ml1dch said: True. But then all you need to do is point out the "get your pornography pass from WH Smith" legislation that the UK Government is doing, and it turns out the flawed European internet legislation is the height of sanity compared to what we manage on our own. It's also fortunate that the throbbers tend to be in favour of this shit so they won't use it in the argument so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, hippo said: Any new trade deals with any country What trade deals? Why the hell would someone sign a Trade Deal with us if the tariffs are 0% in most cases, there's little reason to do a deal unless we're going to pay other countries to send us their shit ... Oh crap ... Chris Grayling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Government response to the petition Quote The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.”. Government responded: This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union. It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain. Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government. The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government. British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum. This Government stands by this commitment. Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them. Department for Exiting the European Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I’m still not convinced they won’t do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, bickster said: What trade deals? Why the hell would someone sign a Trade Deal with us if the tariffs are 0% in most cases, there's little reason to do a deal unless we're going to pay other countries to send us their shit ... Oh crap ... Chris Grayling Services/non-tariff barriers perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 26, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Genie said: Government response to the petition **** you, May, you evil bitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, snowychap said: Services/non-tariff barriers perhaps. possibly but it's hardly "sexy" is it, that would leave an awful lot of disappointed people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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