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Should I stay or should I go now - U.K. in/out of the EU (contd.)

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1 hour ago, ChristchurchVillan said:

Blair only did what any British pm has ever done and that is to cosy up to the US and do as we're told military wise.

Wilson declined to join the Vietnam war when instructed.

If the loathsome Blair had been PM at the time, we'd have been in there like a rat up a drainpipe.

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1 hour ago, blandy said:

You could make an argument for Blair, what with the Iraq lies and war and deaths and stuff, I suppose.

At least it was someone else's doorstep he shat on...  Scant consolation.

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2 hours ago, Davkaus said:

the guy that was responsible for the deaths of millions,

Dunno about that. George Bush was gonna do it anyway. The principle is right, but I think thousands is probably more the score for Blair.

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2 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

dead witch is No. 1

Eff. I'd actually forgone about her, for a moment. Now look what you gone an' dun.

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I think you have to add worst PM in the modern era  to these discussions because the UK has had some pretty appalling PMs in historical times. 

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@HanoiVillan

This is the written statement submitted by the PM today on the next steps:

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This statement is being made for the purposes of Section 13(4) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 and outlines how the Government intends to proceed in the light of the House’s decision on Tuesday 12 March 2019 not to agree to a resolution for the purposes of section 13(1)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.

The Government regrets the House’s decision of Tuesday 12 March 2019 but still believes that the best way forward is for the UK to leave the EU in an orderly manner having agreed the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration.

We note the House’s resolutions of Wednesday 13 and Thursday 14 March 2019 not to leave the European Union without a deal and to seek an extension to the Article 50 process.

In accordance with the motion the House approved on Thursday 14 March 2019 the Government will now seek to agree an extension with the EU. The European Council has to approve any extension by unanimity, meaning it would require all the leaders of the other 27 EU Member States to agree the UK’s request.

As the motion stated, if the House has passed a resolution approving the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future relationship by Wednesday 20 March 2019, then the Government will seek to agree with the European Union a one-off extension of the period specified in Article 50(3) for a period ending on 30 June 2019 for the purpose of passing the necessary legislation to implement the Withdrawal Agreement into our domestic law and complete the ratification process. However, if the House has not reached such agreement by the 20 March 2019 then it is highly likely that the European Council at its meeting the following day would require a clear purpose for any extension, not least to determine its length, and that any extension beyond 30 June 2019 would require the United Kingdom to hold European Parliament elections in May 2019.

It is expected that the EU will use the March European Council on the 21 and 22 March 2019 to consider and reach a decision on a request from the UK to extend the Article 50 period.

As soon as possible following agreement at the EU level we will bring forward the necessary legislation to amend the definition of exit day in domestic legislation. This statutory instrument will be laid, before it is made, under section 20(4) of the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018.

This legislation is subject to the draft affirmative procedure and so would need to be actively approved in each House. The legislation would give effect to any agreement with the EU on an extension, so would not be laid before Parliament until that agreement had been reached.

It's pretty much the motion of yesterday fleshed out a bit but I can't see in there anything that 'clearly' states when they intend to ask for the extension (or seek to agree as per the terminology) or that they would actually do it if they lost the next MV try.

I could see from reading it that, if they lost the next MV, they might just go along half-heartedly and say, "Yes, Parliament does want an extension but we have no idea what they/we propose to use it for." Thus opening the door to the EU saying no to the request, the government painting the EU as the bad guy (again) and another attempt to pass the WA the following week.

 

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1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said:

Brexit fatigue default position should be ‘cancel Brexit’. Not ‘get on with it - no deal’ 

 

Ok we get it, your a remainer🙄

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2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

My ‘a remainer’ what?

jokes aside, I have noticed you will post something, people reply and question/challenge you on it and you don’t reply. 

I might be a remainer but at least I can expand on my reasoning past buzzwords and meaningless waffle. 

WILL OF THE PEOPLE BREXIT MEANS BREXIT 

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29 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Ok we get it, your a remainer🙄

Ok we get it, you want to leave, can you explain what you expect to gain from leaving?

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1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said:

 

I might be a remainer but at least I can expand on my reasoning past buzzwords and meaningless waffle. 

damn right walter white GIF by Breaking Bad

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5 hours ago, NurembergVillan said:

At least it was someone else's doorstep he shat on...  Scat consolation.

 

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I have May in the bronze medal position behind Thatch and Blair. 

I might to have another vote on that tomorrow.

And the day after.

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2 hours ago, snowychap said:

@HanoiVillan

This is the written statement submitted by the PM today on the next steps:

It's pretty much the motion of yesterday fleshed out a bit but I can't see in there anything that 'clearly' states when they intend to ask for the extension (or seek to agree as per the terminology) or that they would actually do it if they lost the next MV try.

 I could see from reading it that, if they lost the next MV, they might just go along half-heartedly and say, "Yes, Parliament does want an extension but we have no idea what they/we propose to use it for." Thus opening the door to the EU saying no to the request, the government painting the EU as the bad guy (again) and another attempt to pass the WA the following week.

 

Thanks for the link. 

I can see what you're saying; obviously I hope you're being too cynical, but it's hardly unwarranted. The only thing that kept them honest this week was the certainty of a large part of the cabinet resigning if they ditched the votes on Wednesday and Thursday, and while that's not exactly promising that motivating factor will still be present in the case of the extension application after losing MV3. 

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33 minutes ago, bickster said:

On a lighter note, Twuntspoons profits are down by 19%

Schadenfreude. 

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1 minute ago, choffer said:

Schadenfreude. 

He won't sell that because it's from Europe :mrgreen:

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