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Chindie Posted March 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, Chindie said: A few EU linked commentators are raising the point this morning that it's far from certain that the EU is going to grant an extension to A50, especially without much clarity as to what the extension would achieve. The EU's had enough of Brexit as well. Getting wider reporting now that the EU is very concerned about granting an extension. There needs to be unanimity between the EU27 to agree to an extension and that isn't looking likely as things stand. Especially when there doesn't seem to be any clarity on exactly what the extension would achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonLax Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: Getting wider reporting now that the EU is very concerned about granting an extension. There needs to be unanimity between the EU27 to agree to an extension and that isn't looking likely as things stand. Especially when there doesn't seem to be any clarity on exactly what the extension would achieve. A lot of commentary seems to assume an extension is a forgone conclusion but I think it is actually quite unlikely. The EU has been pretty transparent throughout this process and they have also said there will not be an extension unless the UK needs time to hold elections or a referendum. There is not going to be an extension just to kick the can again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The Czech Presidential elections were won 51.4% to 48.6% , perhaps we could respectfully request the Czechs re-run their presidential elections , but I'm sure that would be seen as interfering in another countries affairs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: The Czech Presidential elections were won 51.4% to 48.6% , perhaps we could respectfully request the Czechs re-run their presidential elections , but I'm sure that would be seen as interfering in another countries affairs Did the Czech government go back on their entire manifesto since they won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, LondonLax said: A lot of commentary seems to assume an extension is a forgone conclusion but I think it is actually quite unlikely. The EU has been pretty transparent throughout this process and they have also said there will not be an extension unless the UK needs time to hold elections or a referendum. There is not going to be an extension just to kick the can again. I touched on this last night ... if they reject an extension then parliament I think would have no option but to withdraw article 50 but Brexit wont go away , it may be postponed 5 - 10 years whilst parliament splits more along remain and leave parties , but that will at least give remainers enough time to get their Irish passports and emigrate to the land of milk and honey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Did the Czech government go back on their entire manifesto since they won? that isn't really relevant to the point I made about interfering but rewind a few months and Kawcznski actively seeking another government to interfere in the UK’s affair and the criticism he (rightly) received .. I'd imagine the same people criticizing one action are now applauding the other ( to be clear I'm not saying you were doing this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I touched on this last night ... if they reject an extension then parliament I think would have no option but to withdraw article 50 but Brexit wont go away , it may be postponed 5 - 10 years whilst parliament splits more along remain and leave parties , but that will at least give remainers enough time to get their Irish passports and emigrate to the land of milk and honey If Brexit is cancelled it will be done for a generation. No politician is going to go through all this again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, tonyh29 said: that isn't really relevant to the point I made about interfering but rewind a few months and Kawcznski actively seeking another government to interfere in the UK’s affair and the criticism he (rightly) received .. I'd imagine the same people criticizing one action are now applauding the other ( to be clear I'm not saying you were doing this) I think there's a difference between what Kawczynski did, and what two PM's spoke about on the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I think there's a difference between what Kawczynski did, and what two PM's spoke about on the phone. had he kept the matter private I'd be more inclined to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, LondonLax said: If Brexit is cancelled it will be done for a generation. No politician is going to go through all this again. you could be right .. it would really come down to those leave areas and if the voters there decide to punish their MP I guess .. they won't all have died by May 2022 and if they feel let down by their MP there could be a case for a Leave party ... maybe the ERG mob which is around 70 MP's might consider a breakaway if they think there is support , Boris probably still has designs on the Tory job but as I think that ship has sunk , leading a breakaway leave party might be his next option ? Edited March 13, 2019 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 13, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 13, 2019 15 hours ago, bickster said: Hardly, the backstop rules are what made it a very terrible deal I think they're just about the sole redeeming feature, personally. The throbbers hate it because (as there's no credible mechanism to avoid a hard border, other than remaining in the SM/CU) it will in effect indefinitely "trap" us close to where we are now. As every form of Brexit is worse than what we've currently got, it "traps" us in a low damage version, rather than allowing a high damage complete rupture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 13, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I touched on this last night ... if they reject an extension then parliament I think would have no option but to withdraw article 50 but Brexit wont go away , it may be postponed 5 - 10 years whilst parliament splits more along remain and leave parties , but that will at least give remainers enough time to get their Irish passports and emigrate to the land of milk and honey The sane option would be to withdraw A50, and I reckon that's essentially May's default - at the very last minute, with an imminent (if it came to it) No deal, then she'd withdraw A50. I think that the EU believe this too and act accordingly. They hold all the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 still hearing the line from Zahawi, Boris etc that we need No Deal ‘on the table’ to help with negotiations. “Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot like that?” says Boris. Exactly, you clearing in the woods. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 13, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, a m ole said: to help with negotiations Who are they intending to talk to? Taking a trip down the unicorn farm? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 13, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 13, 2019 No Deal needs to be on the table in the negotiations taking place in some Brexiteers heads. Unfortunately there's nothing that actually makes No Deal go away besides accepting a deal or binning the entire madness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, blandy said: The sane option would be to withdraw A50, and I reckon that's essentially May's default - at the very last minute, with an imminent (if it came to it) No deal, then she'd withdraw A50. I think that the EU believe this too and act accordingly. They hold all the cards. which is what I said last night , all be it more in the form of a question ..of what happens if this (likely) outcome was to arise .. Bicks was saying more likely a delay and then a second referendum as the likely outcome , but I was putting forward the case that you couldn't guarantee the result of the this new referendum , where as if May withdrew it and parliament voted , the likely outcome is parliament would vote to withdraw it ( v No deal) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 13, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Bicks was saying more likely a delay and then a second referendum as the likely outcome no I wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The 'Malthouse Compromise' sounds like some shit discussion about brown bread. I don't even understand what it is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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