Popular Post blandy Posted February 4, 2019 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2019 18 hours ago, bickster said: 90% of our lettuce comes from the EU - No lettuce is the only positive I've managed to find in all this time Sorry @bickster, but Leave means Leaves. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted February 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2019 53 minutes ago, blandy said: Sorry @bickster, but Leave means Leaves. You know he voted Romaine? 8 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 4, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted February 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, peterms said: You know he voted Romaine? Genius! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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choffer Posted February 4, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) A brexit walks into a pub, barman says "why the long farce?". Edited February 4, 2019 by choffer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Ooh the nasty remoaner called us all thick and racist, I'm telling the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 4, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, peterms said: You know he voted Romaine? Thats cos I know the true cost of heading towards the iceberg that is brexit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted February 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, blandy said: Genius! Pfft. You should have said that it was a gem. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, bickster said: Thats cos I know the true cost of heading towards the iceberg that is brexit It's unpopular with people like you, Butterhead in the polls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 4, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 4, 2019 More removal of freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 02/02/2019 at 22:04, jackbauer24 said: Sunderland vote overwhelming to Leave. Nissan have now decided to do the same threatening jobs in Sunderland. The same pattern is beginning to become apparent to industries across Leave areas where it is the least well educated (and statistically more likely to vote Leave) that will feel the first destructive punches of Brexit. I'm petty, but it's rare in this world to see at least some karma. new jobs that were due to be created for the X-trail won't now be happening but it's my reading of the situation that zero jobs are going to be lost by this decision and Nissan aren't planing to leave Sunderland yes there is an element of Brexit about the decision , but it's not the only factor ..... other factors appear to be Ghosn 's sacking from Nissan , declining sales and the zero tariffs making it more cost effective for Japan to up current production in Japan , to my knowledge they aren't taking this from Sunderland and moving it to Poland or France etc , merely increasing production back in Japan ( so quite possibly the EU trade deal deal might still have seen Japan switch production to Japan , Brexit or no Brexit ? ) the leaf is still being made in Sunderland and sales are on the increase and at present Sunderland appears to be quite safe , so I'm not sure Instant Karma is going to get Sunderland ...just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 4, 2019 Moderator Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: new jobs that were due to be created for the X-trail won't now be happening but it's my reading of the situation that zero jobs are going to be lost by this decision and Nissan aren't planing to leave Sunderland yes there is an element of Brexit about the decision , but it's not the only factor ..... other factors appear to be Ghosn 's sacking from Nissan , declining sales and the zero tariffs making it more cost effective for Japan to up current production in Japan , to my knowledge they aren't taking this from Sunderland and moving it to Poland or France etc , merely increasing production back in Japan ( so quite possibly the EU trade deal deal might still have seen Japan switch production to Japan , Brexit or no Brexit ? ) the leaf is still being made in Sunderland and sales are on the increase and at present Sunderland appears to be quite safe , so I'm not sure Instant Karma is going to get Sunderland ...just yet You are missing a couple of points here, Nissan said the production was coming here because of the reassurances they'd had from May, they've gone back on that decision and the free trade thing in with Japan is irrelevant, that has been on the cards for a loooooong time, so can have played little part in the decision to reverse, it would have already been factored in to the original decision, so that happening has had little bearing on it unless a WTO rues situation is envisaged by Nissan, which I presume they were promised wouldn't happen.. You're also missing the way that the car industry works these days. Plants kind of bid for these contracts in an internal market if you like, so yes no jobs will be lost currently because the production of whatever is already in Sunderland is there, it would be massively costly to move production of an existing line, prohibitively so but when that current line comes to the end of its lifespan, the question is really what replaces it? Well, the X-Trail was part of the replacement plan, now Sunderland will have to try and win another line in the internal market and this time, there'll be no government reassurances and assistance because clearly, the Nissan management has lost a lot of faith in that process as this decision shows. Sunderland won't lose jobs overnight, that would be far too expensive for Nissan but it will now clearly struggle to get any new investment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the zero tariffs making it more cost effective for Japan to up current production in Japan I think I saw in a tweet from someone (maybe Faisal Islam but not sure) that it was a yearly reduction in tariffs from where they are now (10%?) over a few years to 0% (they may have been wrong about that). There will also be rules of origin changes, I guess, which would likely help. Edit: Here's the tweet: Edited February 4, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bickster said: You are missing a couple of points here, Nissan said the production was coming here because of the reassurances they'd had from May, they've gone back on that decision and the free trade thing in with Japan is irrelevant, that has been on the cards for a loooooong time, so can have played little part in the decision to reverse, it would have already been factored in to the original decision, so that happening has had little bearing on it unless a WTO rues situation is envisaged by Nissan, which I presume they were promised wouldn't happen.. You're also missing the way that the car industry works these days. Plants kind of bid for these contracts in an internal market if you like, so yes no jobs will be lost currently because the production of whatever is already in Sunderland is there, it would be massively costly to move production of an existing line, prohibitively so but when that current line comes to the end of its lifespan, the question is really what replaces it? Well, the X-Trail was part of the replacement plan, now Sunderland will have to try and win another line in the internal market and this time, there'll be no government reassurances and assistance because clearly, the Nissan management has lost a lot of faith in that process as this decision shows. Sunderland won't lose jobs overnight, that would be far too expensive for Nissan but it will now clearly struggle to get any new investment As we are missing points you missed quite a few of mine , not least where I asked if the tariffs could be a factor as a question not a statement of fact , you also ignore where the man that made the deal with May was sacked which appears to have seen a change of policy with Japan can bring it home for political reasons ... another reason appears to be to make petrol versions of the X-Trail in the UK would require shipping engines from Japan, something the business considered commercially unviable the XTrail is a diesel / petrol car , that it is going to “replace” the leaf seems highly unlikely with the current trend to electric cars the company have cited brexit as a factor , I’m not arguing otherwise , but it isn’t the Biggest factor Quote But the car, which was going to be produced from 2022 for about seven years, risked becoming obsolete if the market for diesel cars dried up while the vehicle was still on sale. The potential demand, especially towards the end of the vehicle’s production run, did not warrant a specific European manufacturing base for the car. With Nissan in Europe suffering falling sales and poor margins, corporate headquarters in Japan is also keen to prioritise investment into more profitable areas. And the other factor? New European emissions rules have come into force since Nissan’s original decision, as well as a shorter timetable from the EU for lowering CO2 emissions during the 2020s. The costs of complying with the new rules have forced the company to spend more on the development and engineering of the vehicle than planned — leading it to seek savings elsewhere, according to people familiar with the vehicle programme. The company said it had “increased its investments in new powertrains and technology for its future European vehicles” since making its original decision. By keeping production in Japan, rather than expanding it to the UK, Nissan saves itself the money that it would have spent hiring several hundred workers in Britain, and preparing the plant for the new model. So it was a business decision? All of the factors listed so far can be classed as “business decisions”. But there is one more moving part — Nissan’s own internal politics. The 2016 deal was struck by Carlos Ghosn, who was at the time chief executive of the company but stepped back from the role in 2017 and is under arrest in Japan. The business is run more centrally by its present Japanese management than during Mr Ghosn’s globe-trotting era. There is one school of thought within the company that Japan may have sought to repatriate the model to shore up its domestic business, ahead of future discussions with its alliance partner Renault over joint manufacturing. Nissan employees are concerned about losing their vehicles to Renault plants, as happened with the Nissan Micra, which is made by Renault in France. and it’s in the FT so you can’t even write it off as biased lave propaganda Edited February 4, 2019 by tonyh29 Leave not “lave” ... for some reason I can’t edit the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit importing coke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, tonyh29 said: the leaf is still being made in Sunderland Are you trying to get this thread back to Bick's lettuce obsession? Enough, please,. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: it’s in the FT so you can’t even write it off as biased lave propaganda Are you saying he can't wash his hands of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I have a question, the tariffs gradually fade away in the below EU-JAP information. Currently as they are they create some revenue for the EU for example. What replaces this money in the EU P&L so to speak in 2027. Someone somewhere is getting less money ? This is more about trade deals in general I suppose. (Now under EU-Japan FTA: 8.8%, next yr 7.5%, 2021 6.3%, 2022 5, 3.8, 2.5, 1.3 then 0 by 2027 (HT @SamuelMarcLowe ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) "Leave the EU to save the British fishing industry!" Quote Exporting fish to the EU from 30 March 2019 To export wild-caught marine fish to the EU if there’s no Brexit deal you’ll need... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-and-importing-fish-if-theres-no-brexit-deal "Ah. Bugger" Edited February 5, 2019 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, ml1dch said: "Leave the EU to save the British fishing industry!" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-and-importing-fish-if-theres-no-brexit-deal "Ah. Bugger" don't you already have to show catch certificates to sell to the EU ( since 2010) ? meanwhile as 35% of fish that the Irish , Dutch , French and Belgium catch are in British waters , we will have more fish which presumably means more fish that can be caught be British trawlers .. Industry Saved ...long as the Uk get used to eating sand eels ..meanwhile estimates are the Irish will have to pay around 9% more for their fish , another reason for them to consider becoming part of the uk Edited February 5, 2019 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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