ml1dch Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Richard Harrington does seem to be on admirable crusade to see how far the limits of collective responsibility can be stretched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 So, is Britain gonna turn into Children of Men now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, maqroll said: So, is Britain gonna turn into Children of Men now? Theresa May ...Hopefully. /Theresa May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: Richard Harrington does seem to be on admirable crusade to see how far the limits of collective responsibility can be stretched. On the one hand, to give him some credit, he certainly seems like one of the more sensible (or less suicidal) ones. On the other, it would be rather more useful if he resigned and voted No on some key legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just watched a BBC 4 history programme, a quick run through the early 1970's. British troops on the streets, 13 protestors shot dead in one day. 3 day week. Power cuts. Petrol rationing. Keeping a stock of candles. Morgues piling with bodies not buried. Rubbish pyres on the streets. Strikes, strikes and more strikes. National Front. Gang violence. Pub bombings. We've gone a bit soft since then really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: On the one hand, to give him some credit, he certainly seems like one of the more sensible (or less suicidal) ones. On the other, it would be rather more useful if he resigned and voted No on some key legislation. No disagreement from me at all. If we continue on the current trajectory, I expect he'll be in the Lee / Bebb corner before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, ml1dch said: No disagreement from me at all. If we continue on the current trajectory, I expect he'll be in the Lee / Bebb corner before too long. We live in hope! Then we need about two dozen more to make the same journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Quote US lobby groups for agriculture and pharmaceutical firms want UK standards changed to be closer to those of the US in a post-Brexit trade deal. The meat lobby wants the sale of growth hormone-fed beef, currently banned in the UK and EU, to be allowed in the UK... ... The farming groups say any deal should move away from EU standards, including rules governing genetically modified crops, antibiotics in meats, and pesticides and herbicides, such as glyphosate.... ... The drugs company lobby wants changes to the NHS drugs approval process to allow it to buy more of US drugs... ... PhRMA, which represents drug makers in the US such as AbbVie Merck and Novartis, said it wanted a deal to address the barriers to access it currently faces in the UK, pointing to items such as government price controls. It heavily criticised the current NHS drug approval system, pointing to the cap on the price of drugs as too restrictive, and highlighting insufficient healthcare budgets and "rigid" national processes. The organisation, as well as some other groups, are also hoping to secure patent protections for certain types of drugs for at least 12 years, among other demands. Let's copy the country getting it all wrong. Quote UK negotiations could represent "a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity", the National Grain and Feed Association and North American Export Grain Association wrote. As expected, being delivered on a platter by gullible Brexit. BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Xann said: Let's copy the country getting it all wrong. As expected, being delivered on a platter by gullible Brexit. BBC Disgraced Former Cabinet Minister Liam Fox sits back in his chair, places his hands behind his head, and chuckles to himself at the thought of a good payday well earned, as the dollar signs flash before his eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Chindie said: Good rule of thumb He's lying to you. You can have a zero tariff trade deal with the EU and still need a hard border. Deviate from our food standards and we will turn your hormone-injected beef right back around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Enda said: He's lying to you. You can have a zero tariff trade deal with the EU and still need a hard border. Deviate from our food standards and we will turn your hormone-injected beef right back around. The trouble is, as you say, the EU needs a hard border if no deal is agreed but that is going to be a significant problem in the north of Ireland and will essentially see an end to the Good Friday Agreement. We live in interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted January 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2019 Nice work by the technical staff here. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 31, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, LondonLax said: The trouble is, as you say, the EU needs a hard border if no deal is agreed but that is going to be a significant problem in the north of Ireland and will essentially see an end to the Good Friday Agreement. We live in interesting times. MI5 will be excited to have TWO potential angles of terrorist threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: MI5 will be excited to have TWO potential angles of terrorist threat. or they can just stick a tail on Jeremy Corbyn and find out where they all are within minutes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Grauniad: Quote Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, has just announced in business questions that the government may have to cancel the February recess. She said it was important for parliament to be able to make progress at this time. And yet: Edited January 31, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 Car industry investment halves in a year Quote Investment in the UK car sector almost halved last year and output tumbled as Brexit fears put firms on "red alert", the industry's trade body said. Inward investment fell 46.5% to £588.6m last year from £1.1bn in 2017, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) says. Production fell 9.1% to 1.52m vehicles, with output for the UK and for export falling 16.3% and 7.3% respectively. Brexit uncertainty has "done enormous damage", said SMMT chief Mike Hawes. But the impact so far on output, investment and jobs "is nothing compared with the permanent devastation caused by severing our frictionless trade links overnight, not just with the EU but with the many other global markets with which we currently trade freely," he added. "With fewer than 60 days before we leave the EU and the risk of crashing out without a deal looking increasingly real, UK Automotive is on red alert," he said. Politicians must do whatever it takes to avoid a no-deal, he said. Of course this is nothing to do with Brexit and there's a million and one reasons why you shouldn't point your finger at Brexiteers, nosiree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 31, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: or they can just stick a tail on Jeremy Corbyn and find out where they all are within minutes Pin a tail on the donkey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, Chindie said: Car industry investment halves in a year Of course this is nothing to do with Brexit and there's a million and one reasons why you shouldn't point your finger at Brexiteers, nosiree. Guy called LBC the other day and claimed all these businesses moving and threatening to move were just making good business decisions and hiding behind Brexit. He couldn't seem to get his head around the fact that yes, they are good business decisions BECAUSE of Brexit. He was saying stuff like "yeah they're just moving to the EU because it will be better for them commercially after Brexit, it's not because of Brexit" WHAT?! Why do you think it will be better for them commercially after Brexit?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Guy called LBC the other day and claimed all these businesses moving and threatening to move were just making good business decisions and hiding behind Brexit. He couldn't seem to get his head around the fact that yes, they are good business decisions BECAUSE of Brexit. He was saying stuff like "yeah they're just moving to the EU because it will be better for them commercially after Brexit, it's not because of Brexit" WHAT?! Why do you think it will be better for them commercially after Brexit?! Cognitive dissonance. They want Brexit and have convinced themselves it's good, and therefore when presented with evidence that isn't, they can't reconcile it. So nonsensical stuff like this comes out, or is diminished as actually not to do with Brexit. There's a house of cards and picking at any of it brings the whole lot down. Of course that's the best case scenario. The other scenario is the rarer but more pernicious one of words removed that know they will benefit and therefore have a vested interest in denying the multitude of problems with Brexit so lie through their teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 31, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, snowychap said: Grauniad: And yet: interesting in the light of what we were saying yesterday or the day before. Not only is there not enough time, it's also clear now from this that they're quite deliberately dithering. If they actually believed there "may be" not enough time, they'd be blasting on with efforts to squeeze it all in. What they're doing is the opposite. There's not a cat in hell's chance of getting it done, and on top of that they clearly don't actually want to get it done. It looks like an absolute certainty that Brexit will be delayed, or that alternatively a no deal brexit would be even more catastrophic than currently being portrayed. There's a bizarre hedging of bets going on by May - - doing everything possible to make no deal even more terrible, via lack of credible preparation, while at the same time acting in a way as to make it less unlikely it will happen - presumably all in the "interests" of getting her deal ultimately wedged into place. She deserves all the contempt and more that Blair and Cameron have been (rightly) subjected to. What an appalling person. All because red lines on immigration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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