HanoiVillan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, tinker said: On a single issue election Labour represent neither side. Definitely not leave and not clear enough on their remain stance.( More negotiating and another referendum isn't going to wash) I just can't see who will vote for them when there is such a strong feeling from both sides of the argument. As a remainer I wouldn't and 9/10 times I would vote labour , I like his policies and he appears to be a good man, despite his bad press. His Brexit stance will not work to 90% of the electorate. He should make it clear he would back another referendum on no deal or remain. Labour's policy is to have a referendum on any deal. They (rightly) don't want No Deal under any circumstances, and don't want to legitimise it by putting it on a ballot paper. On the topic of whether this will be a 'single issue election', I wouldn't like to predict either way with much confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I’m not a gambling man, I’m happy to bet houses and donor organs that Labour get more of the vote than the Lib Dem’s. Lets keep that kidney in the fridge (top shelf (in a small bag )shall we for the time being Anything can happen but the above will only happen if they ditch Corbyn today. I personally don't think he has a "fly around the UK campaigning for 3 weeks" in him. He looks physically and mentally finished now and we haven't started, his moment in parliament yesterday was embarrassing and made no sense to me. His "so and so is completely off the table" line is getting F*****ing loathsome and is getting a bit "strong and stable" in it's demented tone. He is started to sound like a desperate f*****ing table salesman of the very worst and sinister kind. Next week he will tell us "the table, pulls out you see, seats 6 easily". I watched the dutch news yesterday, the dutch subtitles make it sound like Corbyn is in IKEA talking "tafels". If they have him in an election I think Labour might get their worst result of a generation. I get the feeling people like his policies overall but attach his name to it, different story. I am guessing here but I think people genuinely don't like the actual bloke which is never going to help in any contest he enters. Edited October 29, 2019 by Amsterdam_Neil_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: If they have him in an election I think Labour might get their worst result of a generation. I get the feeling people like his policies overall but attach his name to it, different story. I am guessing here but I think people genuinely don't like the actual bloke which is never going to help in any contest he enters. Similar things were said about 2017. I think that the one thing we should be wary of is being in any way sure of how any election would go. This time around it is possible that it would be even more volatile given the kind of split across parties that there is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, snowychap said: Similar things were said about 2017. True, but I think we can both agree his glastonbury day's are behind him in terms of popularity. Times have changed, even in 2 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: True, but I think we can both agree his glastonbury day's are behind him in terms of popularity. Times have changed, even in 2 years. I'm not sure it matters. I don't think Corbyn was very popular in 2017. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not sure it matters. I don't think Corbyn was very popular in 2017. Corbyn was popular among younger voters and he totally failed to capitalise on it, he could have genuinely led a movement, he had the engagement for it that most marketing specialist companies could only dream of creating - whilst it’s easy to trivialise it now, consider the tide of events for a Labour leader to be on stage at Glastonbury being roared on by the crowd, the possibilities at that point were abundant and endless. Since then all we’ve had is flaky policy, an apparent and ongoing problem with anti-semitism and little to no backbone. Labour really, really messed it up and it’s a shame because it could genuinely have heralded change on a significant scale if only there’d been some form of plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Corbyn was popular among younger voters... 'Younger voters' are a small subset of the electorate (though they may make significant differences in certain seats like marginals with university populations). I said that I didn't think that Corbyn was very popular in 2017 - that doesn't mean that he wasn't very popular amongst a particular group, like 'young voters' or 'Corbyn supporters', it just means that, across the board, he wasn't very popular. Neither was Mrs May. The whole being roared on at Glastonbury thing is overplayed. It was then and if people are harking back to it now then they're making a similar mistake. We live in an era where few politicians are popular outside of their support base (I'd stress that the PLP is not Corbyn's support base) and most are incredibly unpopular outside of that. Johnson, unfortunately, does cross over a little more than others but is still deeply unpopular with those whom he cannot reach. Edited October 29, 2019 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted October 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2019 Absolutely boggles the mind that we'll have had 2 elections since the referendum, both outside of the FTPA, yet a 2nd ref is 'undemocratic'. 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 @snowychap is right. Corbyn's personal approval ratings were dismal in 2017 as well, as were May's. A lot of pundits talk about these personal approval ratings as if they are a particularly large determinant of who people vote for, probably because they either used to be, or used to appear to be, back in the days when Blair was competing against Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard. However, in 2017, both May and Corbyn were very unpopular by historical standards, yet their parties captured a combined share of the vote larger than that seen for decades. The reason for this is likely the sorting effect that took place between remainers and leavers, which was motivated more by tactical opposition to another group than major support for either party. Measures of political polarisation suggest that it is at a high at the moment, which will naturally mean that most politicians have little 'crossover' appeal. In general, there are too many strong predictions being made about the outcome of this election, though in reference to a couple of comments above, it really would be a million-to-one outcome for the Lib Dems to receive more votes than Labour (to give an idea of the change necessary here, nearly 13 million people voted Labour last time while less than 2.5 million voted Lib Dem). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Emmerdale Farm, Hollyoaks, Brexit. Got to love the English soaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, sne said: Emmerdale Farm, Hollyoaks, Brexit. Got to love the English soaps If Brexit were a soap, it would be imperial lather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 29, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, snowychap said: If Brexit were a soap, it would be Imperial Blather. FTFY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 29, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, sne said: Emmerdale Farm, Hollyoaks, Brexit. Got to love the English soaps The new run of Impeachment in the US is possibly the best series of a soap ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 So, any early predictions? I think Tories will get a roughly similar share of the seats, LibDems will get some of Labour voters due to a more 'streamlined' Brexit message. Either way, a minority government and the Brexit circus keeps going round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, snowychap said: If Brexit were a soap, it would be imperial lather. Sounds a bit to up market so to speak for Brexit soap, "Tramps Arse Soap" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2019 Slim Tory majority, Lib Dem growth, SNP to gain a couple more seats, everything else as is. Labour Party tears itself apart in the aftermath full force, Brexit continues to be a car crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Either way, a minority government and the Brexit circus keeps going round. I disagree, I think the tories will smash this election. In its current form Labour will get hurt in a December election. I hope I am wrong but the public know they can either put the brake on it all or just let the handbrake off and what happens happens. We will see i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: Slim Tory majority, Lib Dem growth, SNP to gain a couple more seats, everything else as is. Labour Party tears itself apart in the aftermath full force, Brexit continues to be a car crash. 40 -50 majority, Tories is my guess. Might be more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 29, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2019 Most of the Lib Dem gains will come from Tory seats not Labour imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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