bannedfromHandV Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This ridiculous 'second/personal letter' Boris sent - do we all get to send the EU a letter with our personal thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I'm just sick of this relentless "Get it done" "We're tired and just need to get out any way we can" narrative. It's so disingenuous. The country needs to get this right. The deadline is artificial. It's been created by the Tories to try and force an outcome they want for party, and in some cases personal reasons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, desensitized43 said: It's so disingenuous. It's not. It's tactical. Much like 'Leave means Leave' and '350 million to the NHS' They knows over half of the country are idiots who lap this nonsense up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's not. It's tactical. Much like 'Leave means Leave' and '350 million to the NHS' They knows over half of the country are idiots who lap this nonsense up. It is but it's also to do with those who are hoping to profit from it. Or who'd prefer that their grubby tax avoidance isn't exposed. I really hope this is dragged out and we find out who's really been "betting against Britain". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted October 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2019 LESS RED TAPE, MORE BREXIT!!!!! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: It's not. It's tactical. Much like 'Leave means Leave' and '350 million to the NHS' They knows over half of the country are idiots who lap this nonsense up. Headline readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Bercow says no. Not hugely surprising. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Bercow says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Fair play to Bercow he won't be bullied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, markavfc40 said: Fair play to Bercow he won't be bullied. Enjoy him while we can 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 21, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2019 He's a bloody good Speaker. He's confident enough to not give a **** who he upsets, and he's consistent. His resolve only seems to have hardened in light of the criticism he's had and the fact he's leaving the role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 21, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2019 Bernard Jenkin is a dickhead. Brilliantly, Bercow seems to have responded to him that he's a rocket polisher, in the politest terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Caroline Flint has almost turned into Kate Hoey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, snowychap said: Caroline Flint has almost turned into Kate Hoey. Flint = Tory Hoey = Farage Corporation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just catching up on this... He's not even in the HoC?? It's his governments number one policy objective. Pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, desensitized43 said: Just catching up on this... He's not even in the HoC?? It's his governments number one policy objective. Pathetic. He’s back at No10 asking Cummings what he should do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Absolutely extraordinary. They haven't even published it yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 20/10/2019 at 08:12, Chindie said: Referendums are **** stupid ideas unless the matter is simple and largely meaningless - choices on national identity stuff like flags, anthems etc. The moment it becomes complicated you're putting a decision to a people who by and large are neither interested, qualified or informed enough to make a considered decision. I disagree with you there. The people just need to be informed and interested in the matter. I'll give you an example. Ireland has proportional representation (PR). In 1959 de Valera, knowing full well that his party would benefit from UK-style First Past the Post elections, held a referendum to scrap PR. The people went to the polls and did two things: elected de Valera as President, and voted to keep PR. They were able to like him personally but not want to change the electoral system to suit his party. That shows an impressive level of political understanding, and Ireland in 1959 was not as well educated as the UK in 2019. For it to work you just need to get past the lies and propaganda and divisiveness. It works fine once you have a mature conversation about it, though I grant you mature conversation is harder in the Twitter age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 21, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Enda said: For it to work you just need to get past the lies and propaganda and divisiveness. In today's world I fear that is impossible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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