Chindie Posted October 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2019 We've had enough of experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Chindie said: We've had enough of experts. I’ve had enough of Brexperts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Awol said: Anyone who really thinks we’re going to run out of food and medicine post Brexit should probably seek help when crossing the road. If I didn’t think Brexit was better long term for the country I wouldn’t support it. My mum is on long term medication and her doctor has said to her that Brexit could be an issue when it comes to prescriptions in future. I have had major issues with prescriptions for asthma, but I can't prove that is a Brexit impact - I just know it's never been the case before. Also, I had to have some antobiotics the other day, went to 6 different pharmacies before one had stock. Again, it could be nothing, or it could be because we are stockpiling for a rainy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted October 17, 2019 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, Awol said: Also what leaving meant was clear: out of the customs union, the single market and ECJ jurisdiction. Clear to you, as in that's your interpretation, fine. But there were lots of contradictory, conflicting and untrue claims made about what we would be voting for. Farage, Hannan, Johnson, Gove, and various other throbbers were saying all sorts of versions of what they thought Brexit meant, almost from day to day, as did the various official manifestoey documenty things - for example Quote There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it.... ...the new UK-EU Treaty should be ready within two years. In many areas we will continue existing arrangements at least for a while. Obviously the relationship will change and improve over time but a main goal for the first phase is to avoid unnecessary disruption. All the important elements of a new Treaty should be in place well before the next election. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave. British businesses that want to sell to the EU will obey EU rules just as American, Swiss, or Chinese businesses do. Only about one in twenty British businesses export to the EU but every business is subject to every EU law. There is no need for Britain to impose all EU rules on all UK businesses as we do now, any more than Australia or Canada or India imposes all EU rules on their businesses. British businesses that wish to follow Single Market rules should be able to without creating obligations on everybody else to follow them. The vast majority of British businesses that do not sell to the EU will benefit from the much greater flexibility we will have. ...The idea that ‘access to the Single Market’ is a binary condition and one must accept all Single Market rules is already nonsense.... After we vote to leave, we will expand the number of damaging Single Market rules that we no longer impose.... Nothing about Tarrifs, customs checks, and all the rest, and it's certainly not clearly sending the message and saying " we will be out of the Single Market" - at my most charitable I could say it is disingenuous and confusing, but basically it's shown to be bollex. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: My mum is on long term medication and her doctor has said to her that Brexit could be an issue when it comes to prescriptions in future. I have had major issues with prescriptions for asthma, but I can't prove that is a Brexit impact - I just know it's never been the case before. Also, I had to have some antobiotics the other day, went to 6 different pharmacies before one had stock. Again, it could be nothing, or it could be because we are stockpiling for a rainy day. Barbara here will look after you, don't you worry about them roads now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, Chindie said: In fairness theres dozens of examples of the 'leading lights' of Leave talking about everything from Norway to single market membership to customs union as what 'Leave' was. Because all of them didn't have a **** clue, and all of them are **** chancers. This is why I said it'd be a much better referendum now if they did another one, we finally have the one concrete version of leave. My biggest problem with 'accepting the will of the people' was that nobody could agree what leaving was. If they did run another referendum based on Boris's deal and leave won, then I'd simply have to accept and live with it, warts and all. At the same time we've already heard from Brexiteers, particularly in NI, that you might as well just stay in the EU. There must be many who voted leave that realise their unicorn version is impossible to get. I still think a new ref is the best idea if parliament is still gridlocked by October 31st (a GE would be alright but I don't like it when one issue dominates an election, it should be about much more than that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: My mum is on long term medication and her doctor has said to her that Brexit could be an issue when it comes to prescriptions in future. I have had major issues with prescriptions for asthma, but I can't prove that is a Brexit impact - I just know it's never been the case before. Also, I had to have some antobiotics the other day, went to 6 different pharmacies before one had stock. Again, it could be nothing, or it could be because we are stockpiling for a rainy day. stockpiling is happening. My friend is a GP, there are drugs that aren't available right now because of the uncertainty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Think people are getting out over their skis on Juncker's comments: The EU won't refuse an extension IMO. That would be the fastest way for the EU to be blamed for breaking the Good Friday Agreement, which they obviously want to avoid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chindie said: The doctor consulted for the Yellowhammer document was quite, quite clear that he had had to provide assessments of the impact of a no deal, which included additional deaths. There isn't a scenario where anything changes that won't lead to increased harm over the status quo to some degree. You're not coming across well Awol, and certainly far worse than you really should. The doctor who it was later revealed is an active Remain campaigner? No wonder he was invited by May’s administration to contribute. Doctor in row with Jacob Rees-Mogg is Remain campaigner who hates Boris Johnson, social media posts reveal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Chindie said: The doctor consulted for the Yellowhammer document was quite, quite clear that he had had to provide assessments of the impact of a no deal, which included additional deaths. There isn't a scenario where anything changes that won't lead to increased harm over the status quo to some degree. Yellow Hammer Doctor specifically referred to flow rate between " the channel straits" when making his assement .... in recent weeks there were numerous contracts put in place to ensure other routes were open and not restricting to the channel A deal was also signed for more medicine flights into Coventry , the same Coventry that acts as hub for most of the drugs supplied to Northern Ireland so , an assumption on worse case scenario has to a degree already become outdated Edited October 17, 2019 by tonyh29 corrected the country :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Awol said: The doctor who it was later revealed is an active Remain campaigner? No wonder he was invited by May’s administration to contribute. Doctor in row with Jacob Rees-Mogg is Remain campaigner who hates Boris Johnson, social media posts reveal He’d be breaking his Hippocratic Oath if he didn’t campaign for remain, knowing what he knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 so - that disqualifies his opinion does it? If you need medical help, will you go, well which way did you vote mate? Nah, it's not cancer, just a **** jippy tummy you project fear expert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: I haven't met anyone across Europe who hasn't asked me wtf are we doing. Overlooking the absurdity of that statement , I've been to more countries in Europe than you have and I can assure you that the people you've met don't speak for the entire continent of Europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Awol said: The doctor who it was later revealed is an active Remain campaigner? No wonder he was invited by May’s administration to contribute. Doctor in row with Jacob Rees-Mogg is Remain campaigner who hates Boris Johnson, social media posts reveal Possibly no true Scotsman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Is this where I say 'you're wrong' whilst not providing any evidence. Asking as you're the expert. Here you go then, from diabetes.co.uk - the experts as it were.. This is called business continuity planning - just in case “People with diabetes that rely on insulinare being reassured that contingency plans are in place, should a no-deal Brexit go ahead.Diabetes UK report that all three main insulin manufacturers – Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Sanofi – have confirmed they are keeping additional supplies.The charity confirms all three pharmaceutical firms have gone "beyond the recommendations made by the government" and are stockpiling at least 16 weeks' worth of insulin.” Note, this is a ‘just in case’ measure, over and above the government’s own recommendations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Bloody scary this. You voted remain? Nah sorry mate, your expert opinion based on years of practice means nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Think people are getting out over their skis on Juncker's comments: The EU won't refuse an extension IMO. That would be the fastest way for the EU to be blamed for breaking the Good Friday Agreement, which they obviously want to avoid. Yes, I can't see why it would be in the EU's interest to refuse an extension, in a situation where the political balance is so unstable and an election may happen. It makes sense to put pressure on Saturday's vote by suggesting this is the only available deal, and I assume that's his aim in saying this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the same Coventry that acts as hub for most of the drugs supplied to Northern Island What's New Zealand got to do with this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Yellow Hammer Doctor specifically referred to flow rate between " the channel straits" when making his assement .... in recent weeks there were numerous contracts put in place to ensure other routes were open and not restricting to the channel A deal was also signed for more medicine flights into Coventry , the same Coventry that acts as hub for most of the drugs supplied to Northern Island so , an assumption on worse case scenario has to a degree already become outdated Yes. But the point, ironically, remains. Any Leave option, upto perhaps the softest of soft 'BINO' options, is going to add difficulty to supply chains and business. That difficulty snowballs down and up the chain. Not only does the end user, for instance, come at increased risk of supply disruption, but theres also knock ons to all the associated businesses which ultimately will see people getting hit by it, even in the tiniest ways - from even the smallest increased cost, to job losses. Which in turn snowball to physical harm. For nothing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Yellow Hammer Doctor specifically referred to flow rate between " the channel straits" when making his assement .... in recent weeks there were numerous contracts put in place to ensure other routes were open and not restricting to the channel A deal was also signed for more medicine flights into Coventry , the same Coventry that acts as hub for most of the drugs supplied to Northern Island so , an assumption on worse case scenario has to a degree already become outdated Sshhhh. You mustn’t disturb people when they’re catastrophizing: No-deal Brexit: 'Nothing is going to happen' at Dover and Calais, insists head of French ports 'If both sides do their homework, traffic will be completely fluid,' says the man in charge of Calais ”Dover and Calais will continue to work smoothly after Brexit, according to man in charge of the French Channel ports, who described concerns about the crossing as "bullshit".” But we’re all doomed. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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