Davkaus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chindie said: Talk going around now that an election might get called. Can you imagine the shitshow? It says something about the ineptness of Labour that after the appalling leadership from the government over the last few years, it's still hard to see a Labour majority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2019 First bit of Question Time I've watched in years. And the first bit where I've only had my blood pressure rise for a brief moment in even longer (see if you spot the moment!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2019/01/three-cabinet-ministers-have-told-their-local-parties-prepare-general Quote Three cabinet ministers have told their local parties: prepare for a general election A further six junior ministers have also asked their local parties to be ready for a contest. Great!!! What a complete waste of time that is. Everyone should protest vote in the Monster Raving Loony Party ( cue - "ah but they're already there" gags ) Edited January 18, 2019 by Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chindie said: Talk going around now that an election might get called. Can you imagine the shitshow? An election on current policies would virtually guarantee a No Deal Brexit. Both main parties ostensibly are Brexit Parties and it would take a huge chunk out of the time left (if not all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Chindie said: Talk going around now that an election might get called. Can you imagine the shitshow? It would be fitting given where we are now that every single constituency votes the same as 2017 and returns the exact same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: It says something about the ineptness of Labour that after the appalling leadership from the government over the last few years, it's still hard to see a Labour majority. True, it's a damning indictment that a government this bad would not be given a hammering. It's not totally Labour ineptness though. Vast numbers of seats in England would vote Tory if Peppa Pig was leading them. Labour have faced an obscenely hostile media under Corbyn, even accounting for the crap bits of his leadership. And Brexit throw's a hand grenade in it all. There's not a chance of a Labour majority. Scarily I could see a Tory one, which really should be completely unfeasible after the last few years. It's crazy this is even being discussed. If it's true, May seems more keen to risk everything than row back the merest hint of a red line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 18, 2019 Michael Crick calling out Boris as per above tweet but the video of the exchange is included 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 He's gone full Trump, just needs the tan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, Chindie said: Talk going around now that an election might get called. Can you imagine the shitshow? I think it's inevitable, I see no other way of breaking the stalemate in parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, sharkyvilla said: I think it's inevitable, I see no other way of breaking the stalemate in parliament. It will just be a stalemate in itself though. No other policies would get a look in with Brexit at the fore and neither of the major parties seem to be able to offer anything to resolve it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 election will be yet more waste of time and money as it doesn't address the way to deal with Brexit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2019 If a general election happens now that would just be utterly stupid. Complete waste of time. All Labour have to do is opposite Brexit and then at least it might be somewhat worthwhile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rodders said: election will be yet more waste of time and money as it doesn't address the way to deal with Brexit Depends if one of the two main parties changes their policy to... unilaterally revoke A50 (I concede this will not happen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 An election has been increasing in likelihood for a while; May is truly wedded to her WA and there may be no alternative to securing it. 230 MPs is too big of a defeat to whittle down over the remaining weeks. This way, she can campaign on a claim that her deal both secures a Brexit that's actually real (her wing of the party are inching towards a Norway-style deal, which breaks several of her red lines) and avoids a no-deal scenario. Obviously local party associations won't deselect No Deal rebels that they agree with, but if she somehow cobbles together a 40 or 50 seat majority there might be enough persuaded that her WA has a mandate that she could force it through the Commons. I'm both surprised and not to see people in this thread assuming that a Labour win is impossible; this isn't 1983 or 2001. Both parties are level-pegging in the polls, and have been for a while, but the political environment is very unstable and it would only take a much smaller shift than was seen in 2017 in either direction to produce a decisive result. Both parties have declined in the polling average since then, and it would be interesting to know the geographical dispersal of that lost popularity. My hunch is that Labour would struggle in Scotland and the likes of Canterbury that they won in 2017, but might do better than expected in some of the working class midland and northern constituencies they lost in the last two elections. It's just a guess though at this stage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Scarily I could see a Tory one, which really should be completely unfeasible after the last few years. I kinda speculated (well I didn't speculate more asked a question as I don't know the answer) on that outcome the other week as to where would it leave Backstops etc if May no longer required the DUP to prop her up I can't see a GE being called , but if one is the potential outcomes could be even more mind blowing than our current options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I think it's inevitable, I see no other way of breaking the stalemate in parliament. I got the impression that Bercow had paved the way now that parliament could have more say , so potentially MP's could come together and table some alternatives ? .. we might get something out of left field that gets a majority backing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Obviously local party associations won't deselect No Deal rebels that they agree with There's a fair chance that the likes of Boles et al. might get booted in favour of new No Deal advocates, isn't there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I got the impression that Bercow had paved the way now that parliament could have more say , so potentially MP's could come together and table some alternatives ? .. we might get something out of left field that gets a majority backing ? It'll be a complete sh*t-show. Every group of half a dozen MPs, convinced that their way is correct, giving little concern to whether it will be acceptable across the Channel and squabbling in the Commons because their fantasy Canada SuperDoublePlus deal is better than somebody else's fantasy NorwayExtraSmooth deal. And ignoring that every single one of their schemes will still involve a backstop and a withdrawal agreement nearly identical to the one they just rejected. May's been utterly hopeless, but at least she realises that the withdrawal agreement and backstop is there whatever type of Brexit happens. Seems that nobody else has read that memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 18, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2019 Looking at the thread under that QT look earlier, the idea of any decision around Brexit going back to the people should terrify everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, tonyh29 said: following on from the woman who wont resign whilst telling MP's to put self-interest aside , we now have the man who met with the likes of Hamas and the IRA without preconditions in order to encourage dialogue between "all sides" .. refusing to meet with UK government I believe those groups had a plan that they were following that extended far beyond the personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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