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Of the 432 MPs voting against the government tonight, I wonder what the split is between those who see the deal as a betrayal of brexit and those who think they can push no brexit ahead of a no-deal brexit?

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Just now, Demitri_C said:

Corbyn puts no vote confident in government.  Yippee another election coming exactly what we need :angry:

Not sure about that.

More than likely the Government will win a vote of no confidence tomorrow.

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3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

if this was blair he would have ruined her

Orville the Duck could have a good go at the moment to be fair.

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1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

If they vote no confidence may has to resign.  She doesn't have  a majority so it may happen.

There's more chance of the moon exploding tonight than the government losing a confidence vote. Tories aren't going to vote themselves out of a job, and the DUP hate Corbyn more than they hate most other things. The no confidence vote is doomed to failure.

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1 minute ago, Chindie said:

There's more chance of the moon exploding tonight than the government losing a confidence vote. Tories aren't going to vote themselves out of a job, and the DUP hate Corbyn more than they hate most other things. The no confidence vote is doomed to failure.

And so we remain in purgatory. 

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1 minute ago, Chindie said:

There's more chance of the moon exploding tonight than the government losing a confidence vote. Tories aren't going to vote themselves out of a job, and the DUP hate Corbyn more than they hate most other things. The no confidence vote is doomed to failure.

Seems like a pointless exercise then. Between SNP. Lib dems etc woukdn t they have more numbers than the government?

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1 minute ago, Demitri_C said:

Seems like a pointless exercise then. Between SNP. Lib dems etc woukdn t they have more numbers than the government?

... No. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tory government. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Seems like a pointless exercise then. Between SNP. Lib dems etc woukdn t they have more numbers than the government?

No. The Tories are the largest party, though don't have a majority (though they act like it anyway), hence the bribery with the DUP to command an effective majority. Meaning together they outnumber the rest of the house.

The no confidence vote is doomed and always was.

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12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

If they vote no confidence may has to resign.

That's not correct.

If the government were somehow to lose the vote, as it's under the FTPA, the PM does not have to resign. The current government can seek to regain the confidence of the house in the 14 day window that follows - returning to put the question again. Or an alternative government could be found if the PM does decide to resign. I believe that she's under an obligation, however, not to resign until such an alternative can be put forward.

 

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who was the minister foundering under andrew neil's questioning? Was it Raab? chap obviously got the short straw having to defend that mess

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It's astounding a PM can lose a vote on a deal that she is indelibly tied to, by an historic degree, and not resign. Losing a vote that effectively defines them should be a resigning matter, losing it by an astounding degree should be resignation without a second thought.

Absurd.

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It's not a single Conservative or DUP MPs own personal interest to have another general election, because of this Brexit mess and whatever position they may have taken they may lose their seat in a GE. 

Therefore, they won't back a vote of no confidence. 

Nothing to do with 'national interest', don't believe a word of that. Simple self preservation. 

The EU won't renegotiate the deal, so the only options are for No Deal or a referendum. 

There is no appetite in parliament for no deal, because that would be a stain on national politics for years to come, so the only outcome I can see that makes sense is to have another referendum. 

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1 minute ago, Rodders said:

who was the minister foundering under andrew neil's questioning? Was it Raab? chap obviously got the short straw having to defend that mess

Health Minister, apparently. He’ll be Brexit Minister next week.

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Just now, a m ole said:

Health Minister, apparently. He’ll be Brexit Minister next week.

And then resign the week after, only to be reinstated the following week. 

Strong and stable. 

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DUP confirm that they'll vote for the government in confidence motion.

Tomorrow is a waste of time, then. :)

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2 months ago, we knew the deal would not be approved. 

Tomorrow we know already that the government will win the no confidence vote.

Whats the point in all this bollocks? Why are they not putting all their energy into sorted the shit storm they created out?

 

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