bickster Posted January 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2019 So let me get this straight on Corbyn's latest wafflefest His first priority is a VONC to trigger a GE Then if the bid for a GE fails he will campaign for a Popular / Public / definitely not People's vote He will only call for a VONC when he thinks he can win it (which is never), so essentially he'll never campaign for PV (pick your own P from his allotment) because he'll never call for a VONC because he'll never win it So many words, pretty much zero substance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tinker Posted January 10, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: you can't seriously believe JLR moved to Slovakia on the back of a 2013 promise from Cameron .... Tony Blair promised the people a referendum in 2007 in his election manifesto , surely JLR would have been making plans for Slovakia then on that logic ? They had the plans in place. Do you seriously think that JLR senior managers didnt talk to the government between May 2015 and December about the possibility of the promised referendum? Well they did. In Slovakia , the deal was made the foundations were laid and the buildings built. The majority of automation started going after the brext result . It's not a guess , this is fact. Brexiters need to deal with it .Brexit has and will cost inward investment and jobs and that's the price the majority of people who voted in the referendum were either willing to pay , didn't think it would happen or wasn't told it would happen are paying. As I side note i know plenty of workers at JLR who voted leave , probably a majority amongst the shop floor workers..........They argue it's not Brexit to mitigate their decision to vote brexit and vote themselves poorer. Anyhow time to wave my Chinese made union jack. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, bickster said: So let me get this straight on Corbyn's latest wafflefest His first priority is a VONC to trigger a GE Then if the bid for a GE fails he will campaign for a Popular / Public / definitely not People's vote He will only call for a VONC when he thinks he can win it (which is never), so essentially he'll never campaign for PV (pick your own P from his allotment) because he'll never call for a VONC because he'll never win it So many words, pretty much zero substance I did wonder if he called a GE and for what ever reason / miracle the Tories (presumably May as they wouldn't have time to hold a leadership election ?) won a bigger majority if they could then steam-roll through her bad Deal whilst delivering a FU to the DUP ? won't happen of course .. but then how amny times have we said that in the past few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tinker said: It's not a guess , this is fact. I imagine it should be easy to supply evidence of this fact .. I'd be interested to see it if you could share some links all I'm seeing is boring stuff about the UK plants being at full tilt (at the time) and thus there was a plan to build a plant in Saudi Arabia that was then scrapped with a view of either building it in North America or Europe ... with Poland expected to be the winner ... but Slovakia tweaked it foreign investment laws and won the day .. but that aside the key decision was Slovakia's location near the Adriatic (v Poland) meant it knocked 2 weeks off transport times to the markets of Dubai and China where they anticipated demand being highest so , genuinely interested to see these pre referendum related discussions from the time Edited January 10, 2019 by tonyh29 removed word "falsehoods" as sounded confrontational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 so when do we think the rioting / looting will start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, villa4europe said: so when do we think the rioting / looting will start? Based on the rioting/looting in 2011, people need any excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Based on the rioting/looting in 2011, people need any excuse. exactly, its coming just waiting for tommy robinson to suggest people should band together and protect local businesses from rioters who want to remain, they should all wear the same coloured shirts or something so they can recognise each other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, blandy said: This is an odd one, maybe I'm missing something. But if I'm thinking of buying a new landy, then if I'm put off diesel, I'd buy a petrol one or a lecky one. They can't cope with demand for non-diesel cars. I waited nearly a year for my petrol one. To be honest, I now really wish I hadn't bothered, and had bought a German car instead. The only good thing is that because there's such a waiting list for the petrol versions, I'll probably get most of my money back when I flog it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Slovakia that JLR announced in 2015 before the Brexit vote was announced in Feb 2016 The EU Referendum Act became law on 17th December 2015. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, tinker said: Do you seriously think that JLR senior managers didnt talk to the government between May 2015 and December about the possibility of the promised referendum? Obviously, I can't speak for what JLR senior managers were doing but you're right: they would have been as aware as the rest of us, from the time when the Bill to enable the referendum was first introduced (at the end of May 2015), that it was without much doubt that there would be a referendum by the end of 2017 (as per the first clause of the Bill/Act). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) surprised anything is manufactured here at all anymore. When you can pay people 500 euros per month in Slovakia or 4+ times that & forced NI/pension contributions over here is doesn't take long for the cost of upping & moving to be completely wrritten off, especially when you are talking about thousands of staff. Edited January 10, 2019 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: So let me get this straight on Corbyn's latest wafflefest His first priority is a VONC to trigger a GE Then if the bid for a GE fails he will campaign for a Popular / Public / definitely not People's vote He will only call for a VONC when he thinks he can win it (which is never), so essentially he'll never campaign for PV (pick your own P from his allotment) because he'll never call for a VONC because he'll never win it So many words, pretty much zero substance I think this will turn out to be wrong. Personally, I would be very surprised if there isn't a VONC within an exceedingly short time frame after the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, HanoiVillan said: I think this will turn out to be wrong. Personally, I would be very surprised if there isn't a VONC within an exceedingly short time frame after the vote. Wouldn't surprise me either, winning it however is a completely different matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, villa4europe said: exactly, its coming just waiting for tommy robinson to suggest people should band together and protect local businesses from rioters who want to remain, they should all wear the same coloured shirts or something so they can recognise each other... I could get more people to attend my BBQ than he could mobilise for a mob ... if people stopped banging on about Tommy Robinson I'm not even sure he'd be a thing ( not even sure why he is a thing anyway ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, snowychap said: The EU Referendum Act became law on 17th December 2015. my bad , i checked it on google and just saw " 20 Feb 2016 - David Cameron has announced a referendum on whether Britain should remain in the EU " as the first result i didn't click the actual link just grabbed the date in a lazy move 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, bickster said: Wouldn't surprise me either, winning it however is a completely different matter Agreed. It's hard to know. On the one hand, skepticism about MP's of any party voting no confidence in their own government seems entirely warranted, perhaps especially Tories. On the other, well, who knows if this means anything: On which topic, I see that members of his constituency party have begun the process of deselecting Nick Boles . . . . . . which might be a bit of a double-edged sword? I mean, on the one hand sure, certainly makes clear that the cost of stepping out of line here is your Conservative career. On the other hand, if they're making clear that any break with orthodoxy is going to be punished by deselection, what have these guys got to lose? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wazzap24 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 Corbyn is getting on my tits more than the Tories at the moment. Just F-off with this 'negotiate a better non-existent unicorn deal' crap. Back Remain or get back in the sea, we don't need two parties peddling the same fantasist twaddle. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Brexit plan B debate will last only 90 minutes, says No 10 Quote Downing Street has said that if Theresa May’s deal is voted down, any debate over a Brexit plan B would be 90 minutes long and only one amendment would be allowed. The prime minister’s spokesman told reporters at Thursday morning’s lobby briefing that No 10’s understanding of the Dominic Grieve amendment, which requires May to outline a plan B in three working days if she is defeated, was that only a limited debate would then be allowed. The spokesman said: “[In relation to] the motion that would follow from the Grieve amendment, there would only be 90 minutes of debate on the motion is our understanding and only one amendment could be selected.” The government was controversially defeated on Wednesday by 308 to 297 after John Bercow, the Speaker, allowed the Conservative backbencher to submit an amendment reducing the amount of time May would have to act. Any Brexit plan B debate would be likely to be held in a crisis atmosphere with intense pressure on MPs to decide how to act, given that May’s deal would have been voted down. MPs are also likely to want to submit a string of amendments for a second referendum or in support of a Norway-plus option of remaining in the single market and customs union. Downing Street said it understood that it would have to table a motion outlining what it would do next by the evening of Monday 21 January, three sitting days after May’s Brexit deal is due to be voted on by MPs. ...more on link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: Corbyn is getting on my tits more than the Tories at the moment. Just F-off with this 'negotiate a better non-existent unicorn deal' crap. Back Remain or get back in the sea, we don't need two parties peddling the same fantasist twaddle. Very much this, with added extra sweary invective 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: On which topic, I see that members of his constituency party have begun the process of deselecting Nick Boles . . . . . . which might be a bit of a double-edged sword? I mean, on the one hand sure, certainly makes clear that the cost of stepping out of line here is your Conservative career. On the other hand, if they're making clear that any break with orthodoxy is going to be punished by deselection, what have these guys got to lose? That letter can't possibly be genuine, surely? It's atrociously written. He needs to fire his proofreader forthwith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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