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Should I stay or should I go now - U.K. in/out of the EU (contd.)

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19 minutes ago, Genie said:

Money makes the world go round, we need to avoid going bust and losing a ton of jobs as an initial priority. 

But what would that look like?  Shoring up manufacturing by starting to make components which havs been long outsourced abroad?  How?  At what loss?  Over what period?  Can we sell the resulting, more expensive, item, at a profit?  In the interim, will potential buyers not have gone elsewhere?

For services, if we intend to sell these into the EU market, we need to meet their requirements,  no ifs, no buts, no negotiations, you either comply or you don't.

There's a lot to bs said for becoming a smaller, more self-contained, more resilient economy, eating less, producing less, wasting less,  importing and exporting less.  That's quite far from the vision we were sold, fhough.

 

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This woman would rather see the country burn to the ground than be wrong.

The unedifying sight of a quite desperate parliament on both sides of the house trying to find some sort of gap in her "We have a deal. Vote for it. There's no need for no-deal" rhetoric and having to resort to every trick they can to try and get round her is horrifying. She will simply repeat that phrase until the metaphorical knife in the back sees her off, and the sooner the better frankly.

Every single human being in the country knows that her deal isn't going through, but she simply does not care. I have no doubt that three days later she'll present Plan B which will look very much like Plan A, maybe in a different font and that we'll then have a series of delays while she insists that this deal is the right one for the country and as long as everyone votes for it and says she's right there will be no need to think about no-deal.

Repeat until no-deal. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

This woman would rather see the country burn to the ground than be wrong.

The unedifying sight of a quite desperate parliament on both sides of the house trying to find some sort of gap in her "We have a deal. Vote for it. There's no need for no-deal" rhetoric and having to resort to every trick they can to try and get round her is horrifying. She will simply repeat that phrase until the metaphorical knife in the back sees her off, and the sooner the better frankly.

Every single human being in the country knows that her deal isn't going through, but she simply does not care. I have no doubt that three days later she'll present Plan B which will look very much like Plan A, maybe in a different font and that we'll then have a series of delays while she insists that this deal is the right one for the country and as long as everyone votes for it and says she's right there will be no need to think about no-deal.

Repeat until no-deal. 

 

 

Plan B is being lifted off a Chinese take away menu as we speak 

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2 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

I know some are screaming out for a peoples vote/second referendum but I am not sure the result would be any different.

If the leavers thought the result would be the same, they wouldn't be doing absolutely everything they can to prevent it. Deep down they know what the result would be.

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4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

 

Plan B is being lifted off a Chinese take away menu as we speak 

Is it connected to the contract for the imaginary ferries?

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Supposedly the Tory party is going on a bit of a 'just to make sure' campaign with it's MPs, with word coming out that they've said any MP voting with Labour in a No Confidence vote will have the whip removed and be deselected at the next election, effectively saying support a No Confidence vote and you end your career.

Of course there's more chance of pigs grazing the moon than a Tory voting to give Corbyn a shot at No.10, but nice of the Tories just to draw a line under any MPs with even the slightest remainder of a conscience, still clinging on to the time when they were human.

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19 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Supposedly the Tory party is going on a bit of a 'just to make sure' campaign with it's MPs, with word coming out that they've said any MP voting with Labour in a No Confidence vote will have the whip removed and be deselected at the next election, effectively saying support a No Confidence vote and you end your career.

Of course there's more chance of pigs grazing the moon than a Tory voting to give Corbyn a shot at No.10, but nice of the Tories just to draw a line under any MPs with even the slightest remainder of a conscience, still clinging on to the time when they were human.

To be honest that is probably a fair enough stance to take. If you are going to vote against your own party to call a general election and hand power to an opposition party you are probably in the wrong party in the first place. 

There is actually a proposal doing the rounds among Brexiteers where they advocate for May herself to call an election and set the date for the 4th of April. Then when Parliament shuts down to prepare for the election the UK will pass the March deadline and drop out of the EU by default. It could be quite a messy election that followed if they pulled a stunt like that. 

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5 hours ago, Chindie said:

Jaguar Land Rover cutting 5,000 jobs.

It's not like they've not warned everyone.

And if anybody on the JLR management team is blaming Brexit for a 50% fall in Chinese sales, then they should be the first ones to be fired!

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8 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Repeat until no-deal

Agree with all but this bit of your post. There will be a judder and a non May alternative will come to the fore, then there will be another delay.

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4 minutes ago, blandy said:

Agree with all but this bit of your post. There will be a judder and a non May alternative will come to the fore, then there will be another delay.

I hope you're right. 

It's so frustrating watching everyone in the house doing everything they can to avoid no-deal whilst the PM herself does everything she can do avoid anybody being in a position to find ways to work out ways of avoiding no-deal. She's the obstacle preventing any sort of discussion or planning of how Brexit will work - she's closed off everything except her deal or a catastrophic no-deal.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said:

And if anybody on the JLR management team is blaming Brexit for a 50% fall in Chinese sales, then they should be the first ones to be fired!

No but Brexit can be blamed for the investment in foreign plants , especially Slovakia. Before you say  "The plant was conceived before Brexit" yes it was , to protect JLR against the vote going for Brexit. When the vote went for Brexit, plans were made to switch production. The Defender and Discovery and any future high volume models . The UK will get.low volume electric cars . 

 

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26 minutes ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said:

And if anybody on the JLR management team is blaming Brexit for a 50% fall in Chinese sales, then they should be the first ones to be fired!

Not to mention 90% of JLR sales are diesel and there has been a decline in this area 

it’s strange really that intelligent  people who took in the full picture and (correctly) declared  Browns recession was a global recession as they realised other factors at play have suddenly lost that rationale process ....  

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9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

...Plan B which will look very much like Plan A, maybe in a different font

 

This tickled me :) 

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17 minutes ago, tinker said:

No but Brexit can be blamed for the investment in foreign plants , especially Slovakia. Before you say  "The plant was conceived before Brexit" yes it was , to protect JLR against the vote going for Brexit. When the vote went for Brexit, plans were made to switch production. The Defender and Discovery and any future high volume models . The UK will get.low volume electric cars . 

 

Slovakia that JLR announced in 2015 before the Brexit vote was announced in Feb 2016   .. if only they could have used that crystal ball on the China market 

Re “low volume electric cars “ There are predictions that 60% of car sales will be electric by 2030 ...

 

* usual rules apply regarding predictions 

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2 minutes ago, Chindie said:

I'm sure Brexit has absolutely no bearing on JLR's decision.

I still have many friends at JLR, and it obviously does.

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There's another reason JLR is struggling if we're being honest. Since it changed hands, reliability has gone to pot, they've changed practices on the assembly line apparently.

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