The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[ml1dch]

The EU's response to the UK backstop proposals:

(paraphrasing)

"But this doesn't do any of the stuff that it's supposed to, does it?"

The 12-page version is available for download if anyone is still interested in this sort of thing.

Edited June 11, 2018 by ml1dch

[StefanAVFC]

This is pretty spot on

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There is nothing left of Brexit that is legitimate.

(1) The referendum was only an advisory referendum. That meant it was only there to test public opinion. It had no requirement (as per Parliamentary papers ) to be taken up by the Govt.

(2) So why does a so-called 52% victory not be considered a majority win? A referendum on staying on the EU as a proper referendum needs a higher majority to pass. It is not a simple 50.001%.

Put it this way, had the referendum been "Do we abolish the Monarchy completely?' and the result - bearing in mind the referendum was not open to all eligible voters, was passed by the same margin who would claim a simple majority from a restricted voting base was sufficient to abolish the monarchy?

(3) Eligible voters in Europe were excluded from the referendum. If we said women couldn't vote, or Catholics couldn't vote in this referendum it should be declared invalid - so why is excluding UK citizens in Europe fair or honest?

The actual vote for Leave the EU was 34% of the British population. It was not thus, a majority decision.

(4) It is now evident Russia influenced the outcome of the Referendum. It did so by:

Giving vast sums to Arron Banks so he could finance the Leave Campaign

(5) No campaign is permitted to co-operate/fund with another campaign. We found out that 3 Leave campaigns were inter-funded, shared information and acted against the law for referendum operations.

(6) Cambridge Analytica used de facto foreign money, that bought their services without cost to the Leave campaigns and influenced the election through privacy breaches. It was illegal to do so. That alone should invalidate the result.

(7) Russian influence was not just limited to CA & SCL. The Russians themselves directly targeted marginal voters through bots and trolls. With direct influence campaigns from their troll factories (widely documented) in Moscow.

(8) The Leave campaigns did not just co-ordinate they also exceed the spending limitations that are mandatory laws. To spend more meant they could target more people, with more reach. The law is specially designed so the points made by both opposing groups are roughly equally disseminated. It is fact that higher spending results in a greater chance of victory. By how much? Until 2015 95% of US electoral races were won by the higher spender where (and I'm sorry I can't remember the difference) there was substantial overspend by one of the two candidates - money doesn't just talk - it wins.

(9) Evidence showing Russian collusion with Leave Campaign was suppressed.

(10) UK MSM had been unilateral in its support for Brexit.

(11) Leave claims were fraudulent, unchallenged by MSM.

There is nothing left of Brexit that is honest, fair or more importantly legitimate. That a Tory Govt where a minor faction exerts power over the Govt prevents proper legal enquiry into all these claims that are well documented is a Govt that acts fraudulently.

Where are the pieces now that talk about the advantages of Brexit? There are NONE.

From (a) loss of food quality, (b) to loss of health cover, (c) to loss of jobs, (d) to loss of personal freedoms (already taken away by a Tory parliament - ask why?) (e) to making the UK financially poorer currently at £30 million a week in financial losses plus a £39 billion separation/divorce bill (f) to threatening peace in NI and the Mainland, (g) to no trade deals of worth, no plans for future development, (h) admission by Brexiteers and Tory Govt members costs outweigh any gains - you have Breit is an atomic bomb that now leaks radio nucleotides poisoning some of the people and if it goes off welcome to the Great Depression all over gain.

 

[chrisp65]

I suppose every month our team of top brexit politicians can keep on keeping on is another month where they pocket £12k each to insulate themselves against their own abject failure.

Between the 2016 referendum and exit day, each member of the cabinet will have earned roughly £450,000 salary for dealing with Brexit. Money well spent I say.

I look forward to the public inquiry.

 

[Xann]

Land Rover are shifting Discovery production to Slovakia.

A new model is to be made here, but on a smaller scale. 

It's warned jobs are likely to go.

[Milfner]

50 minutes ago, Xann said:

Land Rover are shifting Discovery production to Slovakia.

A new model is to be made here, but on a smaller scale. 

It's warned jobs are likely to go.

I know a bloke who works for Land Rover who was (and a still is) a staunch Brexit supporter. Was adamant that Brexit wouldn’t change a thing, absolutely no chance of job losses. You’ve gotta hope he’s first in line. 

[Chindie]

It won't be Brexit's fault.

In other news, hilarious to see the May rallying cry to bin off the Lord's amendments. Apparently she's imploring MPs to not undermine the negotiating position.

Presumably she meant undermine the position further after all the bungles she's made.

Also, again, there's not a doubt in the world that it'll all be waved through.

[snowychap]

I've not heard the Farage 'interview' with Banks & Wigmore but here's a comment from Cadwalladr (obviously not unbiased):

Banks has pulled out of a Newsnight interview tonight claiming it was because they wouldn't do it live but Maitlis isn't having that:

 

Chances that he becomes mysteriously ill tomorrow and can't make it (or that he takes advice from lawyers that he shouldn't appear)?

Edited June 11, 2018 by snowychap

[ml1dch]

What is the punishment for treason these days?

[Chindie]

8 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

What is the punishment for treason these days?

In Brexit Britain? Knighthood probably.

[Chindie]

17 minutes ago, snowychap said:

I've not heard the Farage 'interview' with Banks & Wigmore but here's a comment from Cadwalladr (obviously not unbiased):

Banks has pulled out of a Newsnight interview tonight claiming it was because they wouldn't do it live but Maitlis isn't having that:

 

Chances that he becomes mysteriously ill tomorrow and can't make it (or that he takes advice from lawyers that he shouldn't appear)?

Banks has also accused Cadwalladr of stealing information to get her story. Seems less concerned about whether the story is true...

[ml1dch]

1 hour ago, Chindie said:

It won't be Brexit's fault.

In other news, hilarious to see the May rallying cry to bin off the Lord's amendments. Apparently she's imploring MPs to not undermine the negotiating position.

Presumably she meant undermine the position further after all the bungles she's made.

Also, again, there's not a doubt in the world that it'll all be waved through.

It's certainly difficult to see a way that the position can be undermined more than she and Davis have done already.

On the votes tomorrow, 49 and 95 are the only two that matter (Parliament taking control of the negotiations in the event of a rejected deal and the removal of the date in the legislation). The rest can sail away down the drain as long as those two squeak through.

Those two stay in the Bill and I'll be pretty confident that this is all going to be alright in the end. Taken out, and it suggests that Parliament is just going to lie down and accept its rogering, on this and the wars yet to come.

[StefanAVFC]

Remember when true investigative journalism was branded as the very top of the bunch. Now top journos are branded as chasing unicorns by the very people who are hiding the info. 

Cadwalladr is a saint and I hope in a few years time when we all come to our senses she will be appreciated for the fantastic work she is doing. 

I doubt it though. 

[ml1dch]

9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Remember when true investigative journalism was branded as the very top of the bunch. Now top journos are branded as chasing unicorns by the very people who are hiding the info. 

Cadwalladr is a saint and I hope in a few years time when we all come to our senses she will be appreciated for the fantastic work she is doing. 

I doubt it though. 

I can't find a clip to embed, but she called into Farage's LBC show earlier. The startled panic on his face as he cuts her off is great.

Like a teenager trying to switch off his pornography as his mum walks into his bedroom.

Followed by the scowl at his producer for letting her call go through.

[StefanAVFC]

8 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

I can't find a clip to embed, but she called into Farage's LBC show earlier. The startled panic on his face as he cuts her off is great.

Like a teenager trying to switch off his pornography as his mum walks into his bedroom.

Followed by the scowl at his producer for letting her call go through.

 

[StefanAVFC]

Let's see what our totally rational and unbiased press are saying about the big day in the Commons tomorrow.

Ah right.

[a m ole]

is that a london bus driving through the British countryside?

Fake News.

[ml1dch]

To be fair, it was made very clear during the referendum that if you were in favour of mutual recognition of standards, it meant you were anti-Stonehenge and the Red Arrows.

Very clear indeed.

[HanoiVillan]

Power stations! Rollercoasters! Be proud of Britain!

[Mark Albrighton]

I hope politicians always conjure up the image of the Loch Ness Monster, a seagull and several sheep when making important decisions.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Shropshire Lad

[PieFacE]

So can brexit be stopped today or something?