NurembergVillan Posted October 18, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: sounds like the bod on the radio was rehashing an old spectator article I read somewhere .... I think they are making predictions based on a lot of "what if" assumptions , doesn't mean they can't be right , but equally doesn't mean that usually sceptical people should abandon all process of thought and jump on their words as proof we are **** ..more so when the OECD themselves ended with a get out of jail caveat It's a get out of jail caveat, for sure, but based on the current circumstances one that seems very far-fetched. Last night bookies would still have offered odds on Maribor, even at 0-5 down. Doesn't mean they thought it was likely to happen, just that it was still physically possible and someone may wish to lump their savings on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2017 Some good news! Merkel says she thinks are getting better in the negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2017 Some bad news! This Twitter thread will make grim reading if you fancy a WTO situation. Contains excerpts from a pre-referendum paper on the impact of a WTO relationship outcome. As expected, it ain't pretty. If we go with no deal, as everyone with braincells could see, it's going to be horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 20, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Chindie said: Some bad news! This Twitter thread will make grim reading if you fancy a WTO situation. Contains excerpts from a pre-referendum paper on the impact of a WTO relationship outcome. As expected, it ain't pretty. If we go with no deal, as everyone with braincells could see, it's going to be horrific. Was about to post the same. That’s the official HM Treasury pre-referendum report on what would happen if we end up with WTO rules. Despite what this government would have us believe, no deal isn’t actually WTO rules, that in itself is a deal (a very shit one), no deal is actually worse than that! You don’t automatically get WTO Most Favoured Nation status But under WTO rules we would have worse access to the EU single market than Pakistan, Rwanda and Yemen... Yemen ffs! The farmers who by and large voted for Brexit (that in itself is almost inexplicable given what they actually get in subsidies from the CAP), should have a good read of that and punch themselves in the face repeatedly until they change their minds and drive their tractors en masses to Downing St This ****ing madness can’t continue, it’s absolutely insane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 18/10/2017 at 04:02, colhint said: But if we adopted the EURO we'd be champions of Europe come 26th May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 But how much sovereignty does Yemen have? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I hear the place is full to bursting with arab types and health and safety has gone mad. Better off out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 12 hours ago, Chindie said: Some bad news! This Twitter thread will make grim reading if you fancy a WTO situation. Contains excerpts from a pre-referendum paper on the impact of a WTO relationship outcome. As expected, it ain't pretty. If we go with no deal, as everyone with braincells could see, it's going to be horrific. Well ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Private Eye: Quote A bad chemical reaction… Brexit, Issue 1455 MORE on the consequences of Brexit nobody seems to have thought of until now. The European Chemicals Agency has quietly confirmed that more than 6,000 substance registrations filed by UK-based chemicals companies will be “regarded as non-existent” after Brexit. These registrations are a condition of access to the European Union market, but in the bloc’s overarching REACH chemicals law, there is no legal basis for registrations from countries outside the single market, which the British government is determined to leave. This puts UK chemicals companies in a bind. As 60 percent of UK chemicals exports go to the EU, companies will need to switch their registrations to associated companies or agents inside the single market. This will involve new contracts and costs, including payments to the European Chemicals Agency, which charges about €1,600 to change the identity of a registrant, on top of the fee of between roughly €9,000 and €34,000 paid for the original registration. No choice A final deadline for registration of chemicals under REACH falls on 31 May 2018, nine months before Brexit. The deadline applies to low-volume and specialised chemicals. Should UK-based companies bother? Those that sell sufficient volumes in the EU market will need to ensure their registrations continue, but what about UK companies that sell only in the UK or to non-EU countries? In fact, they have no choice. The UK will still be a member of the EU in mid-2018 and companies have the legal obligation to register their substances. Moreover, the British government has said it will continue after Brexit with a facsimile of REACH, including its registration provisions. So if UK companies selling only in the UK don’t file their EU registrations, when Brexit comes around they would be on the UK market illegally. The government says it is “working to ensure a smooth transition for the chemical industry as we leave the EU.” But time is short and there is still little clarity on the many practical details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Brexit won't happen, as each day goes by I become more convinced that it will not happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Brexit won't happen, as each day goes by I become more convinced that it will not happen. I've said the same thing since about a week after it happened. When the absolute crunch comes into play, they'll give us the REAL options and it'll be an almost unanimous vote to "somehow" stay in, because people will realise just how **** over they've been, or are going to be, for a long time. We're part of a pretty big **** deal, but your nationalist "Britain will never die" people won't admit we (need to) rely on other countries to stay at the big boy table. We're a tiny island on the arse end of the behemoth of Europe (sorry Ireland), we should be thanking our stars that we're counted in. Team work makes the dream work after all. Oh yea, I went there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: We're a tiny island on the arse end of the behemoth of Europe (sorry Ireland), If we're the arse, is Ireland our plop? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, lapal_fan said: I've said the same thing since about a week after it happened. When the absolute crunch comes into play, they'll give us the REAL options and it'll be an almost unanimous vote to "somehow" stay in, because people will realise just how **** over they've been, or are going to be, for a long time. We're part of a pretty big **** deal, but your nationalist "Britain will never die" people won't admit we (need to) rely on other countries to stay at the big boy table. We're a tiny island on the arse end of the behemoth of Europe (sorry Ireland), we should be thanking our stars that we're counted in. Team work makes the dream work after all. Oh yea, I went there. The "arse end of Europe" is a bit much. I would say Britain, France and Germany are the axis of Europe but you are obviously far stronger and much better off when working together than you will be when working against each other. Edited October 20, 2017 by LondonLax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 He's often a prick, but O'Brien hits the nail on the head in this video: http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-proof-brexiteers-have-completely-cha/ Is there anything that Leave voters voted for that wasn't a lie? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Basically, if you voted leave on economic grounds, then you are an economic illiterate and a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: He's often a prick, but O'Brien hits the nail on the head in this video: http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-proof-brexiteers-have-completely-cha/ Is there anything that Leave voters voted for that wasn't a lie? That should certainly be devastating to the reputations of the men quoted, but above all it demonstrates the huge extent to which none of these people had a clue what they were talking about last year, and still don't have a clue what they're talking about today. What's worse is that they seem to regard learning anything as a waste of time or an act of sabotage. I'm a firm believer in the saying 'stupidity is an affliction, ignorance is a strategy'. These people are choosing the purity of ignorance because it will allow them to accuse May, Hammond and others of stabbing the nation in the back later. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I see DFDS Fox has been out pushing the no deal, no problem line again today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 22, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, snowychap said: I see DFDS Fox has been out pushing the no deal, no problem line again today. Which No Deal line though. The no deal, WTO rules one which is a deal really or the real no deal at all line. One suspects even he hasn't got a jar of glue Its one Fox I'd totally be in favour of being chased across fields until he was knackered and ripped apart by a pack of dogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 22, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, snowychap said: I see DFDS Fox has been out pushing the no deal, no problem line again today. He's a massive numpty. Nothing more to say, really. How the heck is he even an MP, let alone a piggin' minister? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 hours ago, bickster said: Which No Deal line though. The no deal, WTO rules one which is a deal really or the real no deal at all line. One suspects even he hasn't got a jar of glue Its one Fox I'd totally be in favour of being chased across fields until he was knackered and ripped apart by a pack of dogs It was the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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