Chindie Posted March 22, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Everything coming out about the potential deals to be done appears to be buttering things up for a no deal scenario being seen as a win. Edited March 22, 2017 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted March 22, 2017 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Awol said: you're of the same view as those Remain supporting MPs who, amendments aside, voted for Article 50. Right? There doesn't seem to be a single view for those people, does there? I mean some are very much, "I think this is a terrible move, but my constituents voted for it, so I will go with their will" others are more like "I think this is a terrible move, but my prospects in the party will be ruined if I do what I think is actually right and vote against, so I'll vote for" others are more like "I think this is a terrible move, but my prospects for holding this seat will be ruined if I do what I think is actually right and vote against, so I'll vote for" others are more like "I think this is a terrible move, but though my constituents against it, the country overall was for, so I'll vote for A50" I think that having implied that they would do whatever the advisory referendum result advised, that going ahead with leaving was kind of a moral duty in that regard. And that going back on that would have been bad for trust and so on, overall. I understand and accept the desire to trigger A50. Timing, no, not at all, really. Yes get on with doing what needs doing, but do it right, not do it to an arbitrary timetable for Conservative party reasons. I guess my view (which probably varies a bit) is based around utter distrust of the tories, their ability to even see what's right for the country as a whole and their competence in being able to actually meet expectations or claims. I just despair at Labour's ineptitude and inability to actually effectively oppose the Government. I think leaving the EU could be not too bad, having pros and cons. I fear that from what I'm seeing, the tories, assisted by an inept opposition, will monumentally **** it up. I fear Theresa May is basically an empty vessel, with nothing but a few lines from soulless Thatcher tribute act script to recite, a gormless ambition, and a narrow minded middle England mentality. Does that answer the question 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 22/03/2017 at 14:52, StefanAVFC said: I loved that, even though it's tongue-in-cheek. Needs more likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, lapal_fan said: I loved that, even though it's tongue-in-cheek. Needs more likes. it actually needs fewer likes as it couldn't even spell Schengen correctly 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, tonyh29 said: it actually needs fewer likes as it couldn't even spell Schengen correctly Have a like for the use of the word 'fewer' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) From The Torygraph: Quote ... the Telegraph's poll tracker, which takes an average of the last eight national polls for the first round of the presidency: French presidential election - first round polling 22 Mar 2017 LePen: 25.8% Macron: 24.9% Fillon: 17.9% Hamon: 12.5% ...more on link Edited March 24, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1st round means nothing really. 2nd round polls have Macron at 60-65%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: 1st round means nothing really. 2nd round polls have Macron at 60-65%. If it means nothing why do they spend time and money creating Polls on it ? How do they know who is in the 2nd round to get to the 60-65% ? I don't get it to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 26 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: 1st round means nothing really. It does. It suggests where people are in the standings in order to get through to the second round. 21 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: How do they know who is in the 2nd round to get to the 60-65% ? I don't get it to be honest. I'm guessing they put the questions on various scenarios, e.g. if it's Macron v Le Pen, how would you vote? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, snowychap said: It does. It suggests where people are in the standings in order to get through to the second round. I didn't articulate well, or at all, really.. In the context of this thread, with Le Pen the anti-EU candidate, where she polls in the 1st round doesn't matter, as she'll lose in the 2nd, no matter the candidate. Edited March 24, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I didn't articulate well, or at all, really.. In the context of this thread, with Le Pen the anti-EU candidate, where she polls in the 1st round doesn't matter, as she'll lose in the 2nd, no matter the candidate. I think it's a mistake to concentrate, in the context of this thread, on the chances of Le Pen winning the French Presidency and to ignore any other potential outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 It seems very likely Macron will take the Presidency, it then gets interesting at the follow on Parliamentary elections. Macron's main handicap there seems to be the fact he doesn't have a party... So he gets in, can't actually deliver anything and the public get even more pissed off with the political class. Not exactly a reciepe for peace and harmony in a country currently lacking in both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, Awol said: It seems very likely Macron will take the Presidency, it then gets interesting at the follow on Parliamentary elections. Macron's main handicap there seems to be the fact he doesn't have a party... He has one of these 'movement' thingies. He has pledged to field candidates for En marche! in all the constituencies. Obviously, whether he can is a different matter. It might be worth people considering what kind of candidate he may well be. Perhaps he's merely a populist opportunist with no real desire other than power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, snowychap said: Perhaps he's merely a populist opportunist with no real desire other than power. That's a given, his sales pitch is basically that he doesn't stand for anything politically contentious, which in a French context means he stands for nothing at all. He'll win (though maybe not by all that much) on the 'anyone but Le Pen' ticket, but then? I think France is in a lot more crap than people are currently bargaining for, politically, economically and socially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Are there two Hamons in the race or just the one with a potentially disastrous admin blunder misrepresenting his true reach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Rodders said: Are there two Hamons in the race or just the one with a potentially disastrous admin blunder misrepresenting his true reach? Issues with my editing, I'm afraid. Edited March 24, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Today's the day. Cliff-edge, meet car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I hope there are two large windows behind the desk she'll be "signing off" on, with dark clouds and a strike of lighting, whilst she evilly looks at the photographer. There will probably be one of those dog things from Ghostbusters either side of her feet too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 A message from the EU to the voters of Hull. Spoiler So long, and thanks for all the fish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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