hippo Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 He offers more than samatta in build up play - but if there is a goal mouth scramble (whatever happened to them????) - I think Samatta more likley to put it away. I think if we are leading the ball sticks up front better with Davis whatever division we need to spend big on a striker before next season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, nick76 said: 55 Appearances and 2 Goals....that's in the championship and PL. Cant say he's not being given a chance when he's not injured. I think it'd be interesting to know if there's a single striker who's played in the PL this season with worse stats than that. He makes Delfouneso's strike-rate look decent, and Marlon Harewood is comparatively prolific. Edited July 23, 2020 by Davkaus 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Kienan is only effective when brought on as a sub. And Samatta is only effective when he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I think it'd be interesting to know if there's a single striker who's played in the PL this season with worse stats than that. He makes Delfouneso's strike-rate look decent, and Marlon Harewood is comparatively prolific. Solanke has 3 goals in 60 games in Premier League and 2 of them came last week. Including domestic cup games they both have 4 goals each in English football By this ratio we could probably ask for 12-15 million for Davis in the transfer market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanmac Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 To have a striker who comes off the bench and almost always drastically improves us is a fantastic asset to have. Strikers often talk about how hard it is when your coming off the bench, not getting a run of games etc. Its pretty rare to have a player who can come on and instantly make an impact the way he does - i'm actually surprised when he doesn't instantly improve us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 He has fantastic strength on the ball and when he gets it he rarely loses it cheaply.Yes his finishing needs to improve but I think we should persevere with him.His goals ratio is deceptive,most of his appearances have been as a substitute. Confidence is crucial for a striker look at Benteke,a few goals I feel would transform him.He will never be a prolific striker but his hold up play makes up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 52 minutes ago, Only2McInallys said: He has fantastic strength on the ball and when he gets it he rarely loses it cheaply.Yes his finishing needs to improve but I think we should persevere with him.His goals ratio is deceptive,most of his appearances have been as a substitute. Confidence is crucial for a striker look at Benteke,a few goals I feel would transform him.He will never be a prolific striker but his hold up play makes up for it. No it doesn’t because it has no benefit. He creates nothing, the hold up is never in good areas, it never leads to good chances....it’s just a myth plus he seems to lack any urgency in his movement as has been commented on in this thread including against Arsenal..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 22/07/2020 at 08:03, nick76 said: he's left footed He has everything except for the finishing touch, it's so frustrating. Some of those were unlucky (like when he hit the bar), but most of that is just poor finishing. He focuses more on hitting the target than actually scoring. The one time he tried to put it in the corner (on Tuesday), he fluffed it. He needs finishing training. Pay Harry Kane a week's salary or something to train Keinan, because this can't continue if he wants a future at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 He is getting into scoring positions though. Samatta isn't. Id rather see Keinan miss them than Samatta not doing anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, Keyblade said: He has everything except for the finishing touch, it's so frustrating. Some of those were unlucky (like when he hit the bar), but most of that is just poor finishing. He focuses more on hitting the target than actually scoring. The one time he tried to put it in the corner (on Tuesday), he fluffed it. He needs finishing training. Pay Harry Kane a week's salary or something to train Keinan, because this can't continue if he wants a future at the club. I think its more instinct than finishing touch, if he could sniff out a goal by the laws of average he will get a few. I think Terry has a few contacts in the game, get Drogba down to train Wesley how to play up top alone and Davis how to get some goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: I think its more instinct than finishing touch, if he could sniff out a goal by the laws of average he will get a few. I think Terry has a few contacts in the game, get Drogba down to train Wesley how to play up top alone and Davis how to get some goals He creates enough on his own that sniffing out chances might not be as important. But compare his chance to Harry Kane's first goal against Leicester. From a young age, Kane perfected that low finish in the corner. He worked at it, and now it's his bread and butter, regardless of which foot he uses. Davis needs to put 100% of his focus on this aspect of his game because he is great at almost everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Keyblade said: He creates enough on his own that sniffing out chances might not be as important. But compare his chance to Harry Kane's first goal against Leicester. From a young age, Kane perfected that low finish in the corner. He worked at it, and now it's his bread and butter, regardless of which foot he uses. Davis needs to put 100% of his focus on this aspect of his game because he is great at almost everything else. Indeed. It’s what I would do if I were him. Hour or so a day, striking the ball. Developing that technique. Repeat, Repeat and Repeat. Until it’s muscle memory. Low hard in the corner. Maybe he is.... He’s in a fantastic position, with a fantastic opportunity. Add that to his game and he is a premier league striker. He has much of the other attributes needed. Defenders really struggle with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, nick76 said: No it doesn’t because it has no benefit. He creates nothing, the hold up is never in good areas, it never leads to good chances....it’s just a myth plus he seems to lack any urgency in his movement as has been commented on in this thread including against Arsenal..... Arguing about the relative merits of a player can be a pointless exercise people see different things when we play. All our strikers have struggled this year and if you listened to most people on here they are all rubbish.There is something about the way we play that doesn’t create lots of chances for our strikers. When Davis played against Shef Utd he created 2 or 3 chances on his own(unfortunately that he didn’t convert).None of other strikers are able to do that.Davis is getting into positions where he is having chances how many shots has Samatta had?I can’t think of a single shot he’s had .He does a lot of good work but for me Davis is better. For me he his our best striking option at the moment and I would start him against West Ham. Edited July 23, 2020 by Only2McInallys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: Arguing about the relative merits of a player can be a pointless exercise people see different things when we play. All our strikers have struggled this year and if you listened to most people on here they are all rubbish.There is something about the way we play that doesn’t create lots of chances for our strikers. When Davis played against Shef Utd he created 2 or 3 chances on his own(unfortunately that he didn’t convert).None of other strikers are able to do that.Davis is getting into positions where he is having chances how many shots has Samatta had?I can’t think of a single shot he’s had .He does a lot of good work but for me Davis is better. For me he his our best striking option at the moment and I would start him against West Ham. Sorry I just don’t agree with your view on Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsub Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: He has fantastic strength on the ball and when he gets it he rarely loses it cheaply.Yes his finishing needs to improve but I think we should persevere with him.His goals ratio is deceptive,most of his appearances have been as a substitute. Confidence is crucial for a striker look at Benteke,a few goals I feel would transform him.He will never be a prolific striker but his hold up play makes up for it. I agree with this. I'm not sure where to get it but I'd like to see the stats based on minutes played and games started. I acknowledge however that he's clearly not prolific but better than these stats suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Urgent replacement needed in the break. Someone who can actually score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: Arguing about the relative merits of a player can be a pointless exercise people see different things when we play. All our strikers have struggled this year and if you listened to most people on here they are all rubbish.There is something about the way we play that doesn’t create lots of chances for our strikers. When Davis played against Shef Utd he created 2 or 3 chances on his own(unfortunately that he didn’t convert).None of other strikers are able to do that.Davis is getting into positions where he is having chances how many shots has Samatta had?I can’t think of a single shot he’s had .He does a lot of good work but for me Davis is better. For me he his our best striking option at the moment and I would start him against West Ham. In my view, we don't win the ball or turn it over, high enough up the pitch...regularly enough.....Because we do it so deep, there is so much further to carry the ball and opposition defenders have time to mark up and close down. They are not able to create an element of surprise or make a spontaneous run. They end up being just a target man for a long ball.....which is equally easily cut out by quality defenders. I think it is midfield inc the wingers where the issue lies.......not saying the strikers are great, i just think our play is a bit predictable. I do think we need a fox in the box, a forager with pace, who plays on the shoulder of the last defender...a Vardy type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 You do need good strikers.....but I think teams score goals. its all in the balance and set up of the team. if a team can win the ball higher up the pitch, it gives them less to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 At least he get chances to miss. Samatta isn't getting any chances at all which suggest to me Keinan is better at getting into good positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 He's going to start on Sunday, Score a hattrick and we'll all love him for 4 weeks until he's replaced by Johnny new striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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