nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, mottaloo said: Thing is, its all well and good shipping him out on loan to gain confidence and net a few goals but that doesn't really do villa any favours if he has a stormer in a lower division, mainly cos the premier league is a massive leap, with not many strikers being as successful. I like the kid but just sell him to a team more suited to his skills. There can be little room for sentiment if we intend to push on and build on this good start. Yes, we need a squad but a squad of players who are oven ready premier standard and yes, that costs. Sell with a buy back option (that we'll never use). Good deal for both teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Loxstock92 said: I don’t know whether they were linked earlier in the window, but you have to wonder why clubs keep coming in even though it’s well known he won’t be allowed to leave. I don't think he will be allowed to leave unless we sign someone who would be an improvement or it becomes a pointless task imo and we risk end up signing a Borja Baston mkII. I would sooner we keep Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, MrBlack said: I think we should bite their hands off and let him go. He's totally useless to us as a sub, and if Watkins gets injured more long term we'd be better served playing Traore there. Leaves us short of cover in the event of injuries to both of them but I'd even rate Barry over him at the moment. I wouldn't bite their hands off if it means we cut our own hands off and leave ourselves with one recognised striker in the process of doing so either on the basis that Traore will become backup. (We have no Barry now as I have read in one of the other threads that he's got a serious foot injury so he is definately out of the equation) We need to be careful following this mantra incase something were to happen to Olly this season and then pulling in players in from other parts of the team to fill the gaps risks leaving us light in other areas, it's not the doings of a club pushing for a shot at European football. As a whole, he might look useless as a sub to many on here in the few minutes he has been given so far, doesn't mean to write him off as a useless player until we see him given a start somewhere wherever possible if Dean Smith intends on keeping him here. Edited January 28, 2021 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I wouldn't bite their hands off if it means we cut our own hands off and leave ourselves with one recognised striker in the process of doing so either on the basis that Traore will become backup. (We have no Barry now as I have read in one of the other threads that he's got a serious foot injury so he is definately out of the equation) We need to be careful following this mantra incase something were to happen to Olly this season and then pulling in players in from other parts of the team to fill the gaps risks leaving us light in other areas, it's not the doings of a club pushing for a shot at European football. As a whole, he might look useless as a sub to many on here in the few minutes he has been given so far, doesn't mean to write him off as a useless player until we see him given a start somewhere wherever possible if Dean Smith intends on keeping him here. Wasn't aware of a Barry injury, and in that case no biting of hands required. I still wouldn't say no to him going on loan though. He isn't getting the minutes he needs to be ready to play in the event Watkins gets injured, ergo there is no point keeping him around for that eventuality in my book. I have definitely not written him off, but I don't want us to be in the situation where we lose Watkins, and then we revert to Davis as first choice. I would much rather revert to Traore as first choice and Davis remains a sub that never gets used. So for that reason he can go on loan, and prove he has what it takes to start scoring. Insert a recall clause dependent on injuries to aforementioned players. I would even pay his full wages while he's there getting game time to allow such a recall clause. Then he comes back and gets more game time next season, or he becomes another in our long line of youth prospect the scored a hatful at under 23 level, only to never to deliver on the big stage having never been given a real chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: As a whole, he might look useless as a sub to many on here in the few minutes he has been given so far, doesn't mean to write him off as a useless player until we see him given a start somewhere wherever possible if Dean Smith intends on keeping him here. False narrative. Yes, he’s only getting a few minutes now but he’s had plenty of serious game time over the years and even in a lower league wasn’t good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 He looked like the back end of a the pantomime horse that has Jon Moss at the front last night. No time to make an impact but still looked almost hilariously bad. I feel sorry for the lad, he's at the age where he needs to ba playing every week, and 5 minutes here and there is doing him no good at all, and it's no use for us. We might as well have just taken a man off and played with ten men for the last few minutes last night, for all the use Davis is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Risso said: He looked like the back end of a the pantomime horse that has Jon Moss at the front last night. No time to make an impact but still looked almost hilariously bad. I feel sorry for the lad, he's at the age where he needs to ba playing every week, and 5 minutes here and there is doing him no good at all, and it's no use for us. We might as well have just taken a man off and played with ten men for the last few minutes last night, for all the use Davis is. It's so plain to see, I'm sure the management/scouting are looking for another striker even if Wes makes it back which no given. We are so short in the central striker position that I'm praying every game that Watkins doesnt get injured and that one tackle yesterday on him I thought...."here we go" and I was surprised it wasnt Ben Mee doing it but Tarkowski (I think) but only needs a bad tackle and we have an issue. Even a loan or something, we have second half of the season to come....Davis is useless mostly and Wes at best will be just getting fitness, we need another front man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Indeed nick. Just having the one main striker last season cost us, and I'd hate it if a really good season this year was similarly derailed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, nick76 said: False narrative. Yes, he’s only getting a few minutes now but he’s had plenty of serious game time over the years and even in a lower league wasn’t good enough. He was good in the lower league and he was 19 or something too. I think you're being unfair there. Anyway, I think I've had this conversation before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, Rolta said: He was good in the lower league and he was 19 or something too. I think you're being unfair there. Anyway, I think I've had this conversation before. But he wasn’t and his stats back that up, not just what I watched. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I've defended Davis up to this point, but it's absolutely clear from his last few cameos he offers next to nothing at this level and his constant lack of games is seeing his game regress. Last night his two or three touches were laughably bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 He's 23 in a couple of weeks. He really should be starting every week by now, at whatever level he can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 His first touch in the Burnley game sort of set the tone. Needs to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I think he would be lucky to start in league 1 he isn't championship level 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, lexicon said: His first touch in the Burnley game sort of set the tone. Needs to go. yeah, I think so. It wasn't a game to judge him.......but I think its time he went out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I don't think he will be allowed to leave unless we sign someone who would be an improvement or it becomes a pointless task imo and we risk end up signing a Borja Baston mkII. I would sooner we keep Davis. I think its unfair if we keep him hanging around to play a few minutes here and there......its not doing him or the club any good. we need to sign a striker on loan. Edited January 28, 2021 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, lexicon said: His first touch in the Burnley game sort of set the tone. Needs to go. Whatever his future here, judging him on that one touch is probably a little unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstMan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Rolta said: Whatever his future here, judging him on that one touch is probably a little unfair. yeah, judge him on his goal scoring record instead oh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I wonder if WBA might come in with a late loan bid, ? - they are rumoured to be after Benteke ... A few months with big Sam could be the making of him see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, TheFirstMan said: yeah, judge him on his goal scoring record instead oh. I didn't say that either. He has been affective bringing in other players and holding up the ball though. Maybe it's not enough, but these short cameos aren't really giving him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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