dAVe80 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Premier League, and its clubs are all about the filthy money these days. Make as much as you can, as screw the "customers". Clubs like Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc don't wan't loyal fans. They want a new set of customers every week, who will buy a shirt, and a scarf at the club shop, and get the programme, and buy a burger and a beer inside the gound. If they could get away with it, they'd ban away fans, and offer the seats to Japanese tourists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 21 hours ago, lapal_fan said: Avg wage in UK in 2016 = £25,000 After tax/ni that = £77 per day It should not take a days work to afford a ticket to a 2 hour long event. It should be 20 quid, 30 quid MAX (for londoners or something) for a football ticket. I instinctively agree with you, but if I were playing devil's advocate, I suppose I'd point out that football is often compared to the theatre - live event, similar duration, roughly similar size of industry, 'leisure pound' - and I recently bought a theatre ticket, for a matinee performance, which cost £57.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 but theatre has always been thought of as an event for elite people and big spenders, while football has always been the event for the ordinary person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I recently bought a theatre ticket, for a matinee performance, which cost £57.50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted February 10, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2016 I could be wrong but the theatre has the same show on for a while so say you pay your £57.50 to see that show you then wait a couple of months till the next one. Whereas with footy its a different game every week I don't think the 2 can be compared when you are spending your hard earned cash. As another poster said Twenty is Plenty to attend a game home or away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I agree, the Theatre company are also not getting £100m a year from TV, plus millions from kit manufacturers, plus millions from other sponsors... The more money that comes into football just results in richer players, richer agents and poorer supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Also, at the theatre you seeing people at the top of their game giving it all in an enjoyable performance. Can't say the same about football This just shows the utter contempt clubs have for fans. I bet gate receipts now only make up a small percentage of a clubs turnover. Its all TV money now. Yet they'd rather put the prices up. The clubs don't care you've been a loyal fan and going to every game for 30 years... if they can get a tourist in every week who is buying a half and half scarf and a shirt then they'd rather have that. Ultimately though, more fool people for still paying the prices. Its like those fans at Liverpool - they'll still buy tickets. Therefore the clubs will keep doing it. I decided years ago that the cost of season ticket at Villa compared to the enjoyment I get and value for money wasn't worth it. Vote with your feet people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Good news at least is all the major papers are covering this, in previous occasions it's just been a footnote story so good there's double page spreads on it and the topic is being taken seriously. We all know how image obsessed the Premier league gets so all this bad publicity will force them to do something I reckon although can't see it being put down to 20 quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Xela said: Also, at the theatre you seeing people at the top of their game giving it all in an enjoyable performance. Can't say the same about football This just shows the utter contempt clubs have for fans. I bet gate receipts now only make up a small percentage of a clubs turnover. Its all TV money now. Yet they'd rather put the prices up. The clubs don't care you've been a loyal fan and going to every game for 30 years... if they can get a tourist in every week who is buying a half and half scarf and a shirt then they'd rather have that. Ultimately though, more fool people for still paying the prices. Its like those fans at Liverpool - they'll still buy tickets. Therefore the clubs will keep doing it. I decided years ago that the cost of season ticket at Villa compared to the enjoyment I get and value for money wasn't worth it. Vote with your feet people Similar. I could choose between driving lessons or a Villa ticket. Sadly the ticket had to go and have never been able to afford another, so go to about 7-8 home leagues games and the cup games when I can a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Xela said: Also, at the theatre you seeing people at the top of their game giving it all in an enjoyable performance. Can't say the same about football Certainly not at the Villa anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 11 hours ago, Zatman said: but theatre has always been thought of as an event for elite people and big spenders, while football has always been the event for the ordinary person That stopped when they got their way and had all-seater stadia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 hours ago, S-Platt said: I could be wrong but the theatre has the same show on for a while so say you pay your £57.50 to see that show you then wait a couple of months till the next one. Whereas with footy its a different game every week I don't think the 2 can be compared when you are spending your hard earned cash. As another poster said Twenty is Plenty to attend a game home or away. Until very very recently going to VP had become incredibly repetitive......see a goal, wait a few months for the next one, seems the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 If villa sold 42k tickets at an average price of £35 for 19 games it's worth circa £28m quid to them reality is that with the attendances it's probably around £23m If it's 35k at £20 for 19 games it's circa £13m, so a £10m hit. 3k away fans getting £20 tickets rather than £35 is worth around £850k, not even 1% of the TV deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I must admit Id have more sympathy with fans moaning about ticket prices if I didn't see so many of them necking back Beer and gawd knows what else at a game (especially the Beer, I've lost track of how many people get to their seats after KO, leave before half time, etc). For me, the big one is kids. Mine are now grown up, but in general they are the future of the Club. Id like to see a thing where if a Dad or MOM brings the kids, they still pay full whack, but let the young ones in Free. Second thing would be Cup early rounds free. Third thing would be a Standing area, cheaper, just like Standing areas always were. They could then keep the other stuff the same having catered for those who cant afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 On 09/02/2016 at 14:26, lapal_fan said: Avg wage in UK in 2016 = £25,000 After tax/ni that = £77 per day It should not take a days work to afford a ticket to a 2 hour long event. It should be 20 quid, 30 quid MAX (for londoners or something) for a football ticket. At £50 per ticket it means you work 22 minutes of each working day for your footie. At £20 it'd be 9 minutes of every day. So just skive for 13 minutes every day !!...whats that, one fag break !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted February 10, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2016 It's a fair point if you want to charge £50 for a ticket in a padded seat with waiters bringing you a beer and food during the game then I am all for that. I mean you might treat yourself every now and then. The average family man though that takes his kids should not pay more than £20 for his ticket and a fiver for the kids. Villa have a huge opportunity next season if we go down to fill Villa Park with that sort of offer. They will have more games so in theory could make the same in gate receipts by lowering the cost. I would be offering Holte End/North Stand season tickets at £300 for adults and £100 for kids. £400/£150 for the Trinity/Witton Lane. Match day prices £20/£5 and £25/£8. Fill the ground and get that feel good factor back into the fan base. At those sort of prices would you be more inclined to go or has that ship sailed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, S-Platt said: It's a fair point if you want to charge £50 for a ticket in a padded seat with waiters bringing you a beer and food during the game then I am all for that. I mean you might treat yourself every now and then. The average family man though that takes his kids should not pay more than £20 for his ticket and a fiver for the kids. Villa have a huge opportunity next season if we go down to fill Villa Park with that sort of offer. They will have more games so in theory could make the same in gate receipts by lowering the cost. I would be offering Holte End/North Stand season tickets at £300 for adults and £100 for kids. £400/£150 for the Trinity/Witton Lane. Match day prices £20/£5 and £25/£8. Fill the ground and get that feel good factor back into the fan base. At those sort of prices would you be more inclined to go or has that ship sailed? If we go down it would be harder to reduce prices as we would be losing huge revenue from the Sky deal, and ticket money would make up a larger percentage of our vastly reduced income.The Premiership clubs are well able to reduce prices for fans, but simply choose not to, preferring to milk us to the maximum like any other source of revenue.Have to say English football is obscenely expensive. Watched the New York Yankees in Yankee Stadium a few years ago for $28. Believe Bundesliga matches are much cheaper, as are many other top nations games. If they are not careful the worm will turn, and the richest league in the world will be playing to half empty stadiums.Wont that look good on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Genie said: I agree, the Theatre company are also not getting £100m a year from TV, plus millions from kit manufacturers, plus millions from other sponsors... Exactly this. Theatres make money from ticket sales. That's it. Football clubs don't. They make some money, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the TV and prize money (or at least the extra they make by putting up the price is a drop in the ocean) They charge high prices because they can. That's the only reason. Part of me thinks there should have been a requirement in this new TV deal that meant ticket prices were capped at a certain amount, with a certain amount of the TV money earmarked to make up for that for clubs. I haven't thought about it enough to decide if that's actually practical or not. Edited February 11, 2016 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Yet you have almost certainly given it more thought than anyone who runs the game, which says it all really ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2016 What annoys me is FSG seem to be getting a load of praise now for saying sorry and dropping the prices again. **** that. They're only sorry because they got called out. They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Just because they put the cookie back doesn't make them the good guys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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