Hanky Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Didn’t do much. Game time somewhere else might do him some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Farlz said: Unfortunately he was bullied today. Leroy Fer took the piss with him are you surprised? he needs to learn the physical side of the game....The academy doesn't do that. He needs to go out on loan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Meh. Did nothing to make me think he even deserves a bench spot. He clearly needs to develop a lot more. Lansbury did so much more in his time on the pitch. Send him on loan please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Stunned that fans booed when he was subbed. Ridiculous. They were booing the decision not him! he played well. Yes gave it away a couple of times and wasnt strong enough on the ball.. but other times he looked class. That little flick in the first 10 seconds to set El Ghazi down the wing was sublime, also we had another chance soon aster they scored their first that he was instrumental in. Didnt have a bad game at all, just a shame other players around decided they werent up for this game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2019 Played as a second striker off a "big man" who can't hold up a ball or pass it. He went looking for balls out wide and occasionally did okay at that, but he just wasn't involved - we either needed a two man midfield that could involve him or a partner up top that could bring him into the game - we had neither - he was hung out to dry by the system today and should have been replaced by a midfielder at half time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 As I said in the Hogan thread , felt a bit bad for him. Weakens team and expects players coming in to perform at their best ? It's not going to happen. Either keep strongest team swapping out like for like position wise on 1 or 2 players or play the entire reserves. Don't put out a half arsed team and expect great things 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Junxs said: They were booing the decision not him! he played well. Yes gave it away a couple of times and wasnt strong enough on the ball.. but other times he looked class. That little flick in the first 10 seconds to set El Ghazi down the wing was sublime, also we had another chance soon aster they scored their first that he was instrumental in. Didnt have a bad game at all, just a shame other players around decided they werent up for this game. I know they were booing the decision. Like i said idiots. He was out of his depth and getting bullied. Nothing wrong with the decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: He was out of his depth and getting bullied. Nothing wrong with the decision. I think the decision was wrong. In fact, I think it was wrong twice. If you want to persist with the system, then you take off the system's biggest weakness, which was Hogan's inability to hold the ball and bring O'Hare or the wide men into play - in that case, the decision should have been to take Hogan off and replace him with Davis. If you want to change the system, bring off O'Hare and bring on a midfielder - someone who can give McGinn and Whelan the help they desperately needed in order to try to get some sort of grip on the game. In that case, the decision should have been to take O'Hare off and bring on Lansbury (or Bjarnason). If you're playing a system where you have a player in between your forward and your midfield and neither that forward, nor the midfield are working - then I think it's perfectly sensible to take off that player because it's difficult for them to get involved in the game - if you then don't use that opportunity to fix either of the things that mean that player is more ornament than use, then you're making the wrong decision. I haven't got any issue with O'Hare coming off - but we brought on Kodjia and had him play a free role off Hogan. That still left us with an outnumbered midfield and Hogan ineffective up top. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I think the decision was wrong. In fact, I think it was wrong twice. If you want to persist with the system, then you take off the system's biggest weakness, which was Hogan's inability to hold the ball and bring O'Hare or the wide men into play - in that case, the decision should have been to take Hogan off and replace him with Davis. If you want to change the system, bring off O'Hare and bring on a midfielder - someone who can give McGinn and Whelan the help they desperately needed in order to try to get some sort of grip on the game. In that case, the decision should have been to take O'Hare off and bring on Lansbury (or Bjarnason). If you're playing a system where you have a player in between your forward and your midfield and neither that forward, nor the midfield are working - then I think it's perfectly sensible to take off that player because it's difficult for them to get involved in the game - if you then don't use that opportunity to fix either of the things that mean that player is more ornament than use, then you're making the wrong decision. I haven't got any issue with O'Hare coming off - but we brought on Kodjia and had him play a free role off Hogan. That still left us with an outnumbered midfield and Hogan ineffective up top. Some valid reasons. Don't agree with it all. But it wasn't a decision that deserved to booed. O'hare looked out of his depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I am not sure why we play 2 wingers, when we have a problem holding the midfield together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Andre Green scored the winner for Pompey at Norwich so here's a case of a young player who was beginning to struggle here and is now coming good at a club having a great season. No reason why O'Hare can't do the same but just getting the odd game here isn't enough. Too many of our promising young players stagnate in our system and miss the boat in terms of opportunity. When you look back last 10 years our most succesful youth products playing for us have been Gabby and Jack and they were both sent out on loan at 18/19. Going a little further back Cahill was sent to and played a full season for Burnley at 19. When you hit that age you need to be playing somewhere so madnes to me he didn't go out last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Badly needs a loan spell. Playing 2 meaningless cup games a season is not going to progress his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 No point him staying here this January. Too good for U23 football, not quite up to first team yet so get him out on loan and have him playing football every week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Rightly or wrongly he isnt going (m)any games here. First of all there was the he is injured/ oh no he isnt - then when he finally gets a game - he is first sub after an hour. He was by no means the first player on the pitch. He is 20 ...so needs game time now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I suspect you would have seen a different O'Hare if he had the first team players around him, in stead of the silly makeshift team that Smith sent out. I agree with most posters, however, that O'Hare needs to go out on loan, as do a number of our youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: I suspect you would have seen a different O'Hare if he had the first team players around him, in stead of the silly makeshift team that Smith sent out. I agree with most posters, however, that O'Hare needs to go out on loan, as do a number of our youngsters. I would have said that himself and Hogan were the only non first team players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I don’t get the fanfare about this young man. Every time he has had a chance he has looked average at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: I suspect you would have seen a different O'Hare if he had the first team players around him, in stead of the silly makeshift team that Smith sent out. I agree with most posters, however, that O'Hare needs to go out on loan, as do a number of our youngsters. The defense was awful, besides that it was one of our strongest teams tbh, just missing bolasie, grealish and Tammy. I am so disapointed that fans decided to boo the decision to take him of, especially considering he did not do much. Booing the teams performance would have been fine, pretty sure our management would have or did the same. Honestly, if fans are already loosing faith in Smith, then we are where we deserve to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 the senior pro's should of been looking after him. I thought he did ok. It was a baptism of fire for him. Welcome to Jack Grealish's world! I remember one of his early games (possibly his debut) against Hull City where they took turns to clatter him. Delph and Vlaar would come charging over to ruff up the offenders. Grealish would get up laughing. He knew they had his back. Why didn't Whelan and McGinn put a reducer in on Fer. Smiths comments after the game were disgraceful. He said something like I know the fans here can turn when things arn't going right so I took him off. What the ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwdriver Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I don't think O'Hare should go out on loan whilst Grealish is injured he's the closest we have who can do the same job. Give him the shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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