The Rémi Garde thread

[hippo]

That's a good point though DDID.  If we assume for a minute that the old guard genuinely think Pearson is the best English manager available, then why not the clamour for him when 'pool sacked Rodgers?  And why no moaning following Klopp's appointment?  I heard no comments at all from the old guard at the time pretending to claim Pearson would ever be good enough for them, and I heard no dissenting comments about experience when Klopp was touted or then hired.  On the contrary, he was being hailed as a coup for the league.  An exciting appointment by Liverpool.  Absolute f**king bare-faced hypocrisy.

But as you say, the perception is that while the 'big' clubs above a certain current standard are free from judgement to go shopping across Europe for whatever they feel will improve their prospects, we are supposed to limit our own ambitions to rooting through the bloodied basement floor for the best miscarriage to slide out of the Premier League in the past 12 months?  F**k the lot of them.

Nail on the head BOF. I had this conversation with a friend, a man of otherwise well balanced opinion. He said, "well, it's different coming in to a struggling club than it would be a Liverpool or even a West Ham". I tried to push him on why this would make it harder for a foreign manager over a British manager coming in to that situation, he was sketchy like they all are but it almost felt as if he were initially suggesting that "johnny foreigner" doesn't have the stomach for a fight.  

I mean total, outdated and arguably racist bollocks of course, but an interesting conversation nonetheless. Eventually he caved and said that it was general experience of adversity that mattered, that where that experience was gained was immaterial and that nationality was indeed irrelevant. The difference between my friend and the majority of the media is that you don't get the opportunity to present a different point of view, unless you are willing to pay £1.99 a minute for the privileged. They are free to spout their brand of bullshit almost uncontested. They live in their own little bubble, never challenged, floating randomly from story to story like a crisp packet in the wind (or Stephen Ireland on a football pitch).

I almost feel sorry for them. 

Good point.

Can't agree on the racist bit though. I wanted Big Sam because he has track record of steering clubs away from the RZ. That has absolutely nothing to do with the colour of his kin.  

[rubberman]

Xenophobic rather than racist.

[DCJonah]

I dread to think the mental, emotional and physical state I'd currently be in had Pearson been employed to follow up on Lambert and Sherwood. I needed someone like Garde to spark the slightest bit of interest back in this club. I've even started a new villa career mode on Fifa, I can finally stomach looking at some of our players in their virtual form.

Edited November 11, 2015 by DCJonah

[coda]

British jobs 4 British workers

[dn1982]

What I like about Garde is his calmness and he exudes confidence which is exactly what we need regardless of nationality. Pearson is a nut job! Just look at his interviews and his interaction with the fans! I know Leicester are still flying but they were awful until the last 1/3 of the season under him. I think the media just want managers who'll give them column inches like Sherwood and Pearson regardless of ability. 

[bobzy]

That's a good point though DDID.  If we assume for a minute that the old guard genuinely think Pearson is the best English manager available, then why not the clamour for him when 'pool sacked Rodgers?  And why no moaning following Klopp's appointment?  I heard no comments at all from the old guard at the time pretending to claim Pearson would ever be good enough for them, and I heard no dissenting comments about experience when Klopp was touted or then hired.  On the contrary, he was being hailed as a coup for the league.  An exciting appointment by Liverpool.  Absolute f**king bare-faced hypocrisy.

But as you say, the perception is that while the 'big' clubs above a certain current standard are free from judgement to go shopping across Europe for whatever they feel will improve their prospects, we are supposed to limit our own ambitions to rooting through the bloodied basement floor for the best miscarriage to slide out of the Premier League in the past 12 months?  F**k the lot of them.

That said, a large amount on here would've rather appointed Sam Allardyce than Rémi Garde... "guaranteed survival"  "that's it, Sunderland are staying up" et al.

[BOF]

That said, a large amount on here would've rather appointed Sam Allardyce than Rémi Garde... "guaranteed survival"  "that's it, Sunderland are staying up" et al.

That's a specific rather than a general point though, which is a different conversation.

[terrytini]

I could've seen the sense in Pearson as a guy to instill his brand of ' heart' etc but really am pleased Fox etc saw it differently.

I don't see how they can be criticised for the choice really, the easy cop out would've been a Moyes/ Pearson etc but they've had a bit of courage of convictions to my mind. Just baffles me why they didn't do it after Time kept us up...maybe they thought he'd done well enough to make sacking him without a chance look silly ?

Totally agree with BOF the media double standards especially in respect of Klippitty are nausea inducing.

[TRO]

It would also make all of the claims from the English managers old boys club sound like nonsense when they go on about Premier League experience and inexperienced Johnny Foreigner.  Not that it would shut them up.  But it would make them look sillier whenever they trotted out the claim after each managerial sacking.

This. You should of heard them on Talkshite this morning. It was vomit inducing, going on about Pearson, Lambert and Sherwood like they are martyrs.

It's tedious as hell. Are they not bored of it yet? 

We all hope Garde succeeds of course. If he does, then the evidence mounting against this "Premier League experience" and British managers for British clubs malarkey will surely be overwhelming. You'd have the likes of Pochettino, Bilic, Koeman and Garde stepping in and tearing their bigotry a new one. Not to mention Wenger who was managing in Japan prior to taking over Arsenal and those foreign managers who came with more experience such as Mourinho, Klopp and van Gaal (and the myriad of successful Chelsea and Manchester City managers). I didn't see anyone putting Pearson forward for the Liverpool job? So why should he be automatically acceptable for a "tiny no-mark" club like Villa?

Luddites. Jobs for the boys. Do one.

                        good point.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

That's a good point though DDID.  If we assume for a minute that the old guard genuinely think Pearson is the best English manager available, then why not the clamour for him when 'pool sacked Rodgers?  And why no moaning following Klopp's appointment?  I heard no comments at all from the old guard at the time pretending to claim Pearson would ever be good enough for them, and I heard no dissenting comments about experience when Klopp was touted or then hired.  On the contrary, he was being hailed as a coup for the league.  An exciting appointment by Liverpool.  Absolute f**king bare-faced hypocrisy.

But as you say, the perception is that while the 'big' clubs above a certain current standard are free from judgement to go shopping across Europe for whatever they feel will improve their prospects, we are supposed to limit our own ambitions to rooting through the bloodied basement floor for the best miscarriage to slide out of the Premier League in the past 12 months?  F**k the lot of them.

Nail on the head BOF. I had this conversation with a friend, a man of otherwise well balanced opinion. He said, "well, it's different coming in to a struggling club than it would be a Liverpool or even a West Ham". I tried to push him on why this would make it harder for a foreign manager over a British manager coming in to that situation, he was sketchy like they all are but it almost felt as if he were initially suggesting that "johnny foreigner" doesn't have the stomach for a fight.  

I mean total, outdated and arguably racist bollocks of course, but an interesting conversation nonetheless. Eventually he caved and said that it was general experience of adversity that mattered, that where that experience was gained was immaterial and that nationality was indeed irrelevant. The difference between my friend and the majority of the media is that you don't get the opportunity to present a different point of view, unless you are willing to pay £1.99 a minute for the privileged. They are free to spout their brand of bullshit almost uncontested. They live in their own little bubble, never challenged, floating randomly from story to story like a crisp packet in the wind (or Stephen Ireland on a football pitch).

I almost feel sorry for them. 

Good point.

Can't agree on the racist bit though. I wanted Big Sam because he has track record of steering clubs away from the RZ. That has absolutely nothing to do with the colour of his kin.  

That's fine. Your reasoning is sound.

I don't know about "clubs" though, didn't he do it once with Blackburn? What's more important is his record as a manager full stop.

[pacbuddies]

That's a good point though DDID.  If we assume for a minute that the old guard genuinely think Pearson is the best English manager available, then why not the clamour for him when 'pool sacked Rodgers?  And why no moaning following Klopp's appointment?  I heard no comments at all from the old guard at the time pretending to claim Pearson would ever be good enough for them, and I heard no dissenting comments about experience when Klopp was touted or then hired.  On the contrary, he was being hailed as a coup for the league.  An exciting appointment by Liverpool.  Absolute f**king bare-faced hypocrisy.

But as you say, the perception is that while the 'big' clubs above a certain current standard are free from judgement to go shopping across Europe for whatever they feel will improve their prospects, we are supposed to limit our own ambitions to rooting through the bloodied basement floor for the best miscarriage to slide out of the Premier League in the past 12 months?  F**k the lot of them.

Nail on the head BOF. I had this conversation with a friend, a man of otherwise well balanced opinion. He said, "well, it's different coming in to a struggling club than it would be a Liverpool or even a West Ham". I tried to push him on why this would make it harder for a foreign manager over a British manager coming in to that situation, he was sketchy like they all are but it almost felt as if he were initially suggesting that "johnny foreigner" doesn't have the stomach for a fight.  

I mean total, outdated and arguably racist bollocks of course, but an interesting conversation nonetheless. Eventually he caved and said that it was general experience of adversity that mattered, that where that experience was gained was immaterial and that nationality was indeed irrelevant. The difference between my friend and the majority of the media is that you don't get the opportunity to present a different point of view, unless you are willing to pay £1.99 a minute for the privileged. They are free to spout their brand of bullshit almost uncontested. They live in their own little bubble, never challenged, floating randomly from story to story like a crisp packet in the wind (or Stephen Ireland on a football pitch).

I almost feel sorry for them. 

Good point.

Can't agree on the racist bit though. I wanted Big Sam because he has track record of steering clubs away from the RZ. That has absolutely nothing to do with the colour of his kin.  

You're quite right, the colour of his relatives has nothing to do with it.

[BigAl]

Despite what anyone in the media or otherwise says its very obvious that the British manager route hadn't been working for Villa .Mcleish/lambert/Sherwood all were a bigger disaster than each other  ,poor football ,tactically inept ,bad man management ,poor coaching staff appointments ,you name it they did it .Realistically any of them won't get a job in the PL again ,that's how poor they were at Villa .Think it obvious like I said that the British style /old school manager wasn't working for us and we were only heading in one direction ,it was time to try something different ,Remi Garde is without doubt a different style of manager to what we have had in the last 5 years ,Every comment from managers /supporters /players that know him or have played for him is all extremely prositive.I cannot understand the media fixation with British managers especially with poor records such as out last few managers .PL experience isn't everything ,I wouldn't swap Remi for any of Pearson/Moyes/Big Sam ,I think we have ourselves a very decent manager and I know we're bottom but it's the first time I'm genuinely excited about Villa since the O Neill era ,it's a long way back but the fightback has begun .

[Hamburglar]

That's a good point though DDID.  If we assume for a minute that the old guard genuinely think Pearson is the best English manager available, then why not the clamour for him when 'pool sacked Rodgers?  And why no moaning following Klopp's appointment?  I heard no comments at all from the old guard at the time pretending to claim Pearson would ever be good enough for them, and I heard no dissenting comments about experience when Klopp was touted or then hired.  On the contrary, he was being hailed as a coup for the league.  An exciting appointment by Liverpool.  Absolute f**king bare-faced hypocrisy.

But as you say, the perception is that while the 'big' clubs above a certain current standard are free from judgement to go shopping across Europe for whatever they feel will improve their prospects, we are supposed to limit our own ambitions to rooting through the bloodied basement floor for the best miscarriage to slide out of the Premier League in the past 12 months?  F**k the lot of them.

Nail on the head BOF. I had this conversation with a friend, a man of otherwise well balanced opinion. He said, "well, it's different coming in to a struggling club than it would be a Liverpool or even a West Ham". I tried to push him on why this would make it harder for a foreign manager over a British manager coming in to that situation, he was sketchy like they all are but it almost felt as if he were initially suggesting that "johnny foreigner" doesn't have the stomach for a fight.  

I mean total, outdated and arguably racist bollocks of course, but an interesting conversation nonetheless. Eventually he caved and said that it was general experience of adversity that mattered, that where that experience was gained was immaterial and that nationality was indeed irrelevant. The difference between my friend and the majority of the media is that you don't get the opportunity to present a different point of view, unless you are willing to pay £1.99 a minute for the privileged. They are free to spout their brand of bullshit almost uncontested. They live in their own little bubble, never challenged, floating randomly from story to story like a crisp packet in the wind (or Stephen Ireland on a football pitch).

I almost feel sorry for them. 

dare Turkin er jurbs

 

[Morley_crosses_to_Withe]

Have a like for the South Park reference ^^^

[Wainy316]

Best to get your football news from the guardian or football365. More reasoned and even mocks the English old guard mafia.

[coda]

Best to get your football news from the guardian

You are a "corduroy-jacketed lefty academic"

[avfc1982am]

Despite what anyone in the media or otherwise says its very obvious that the British manager route hadn't been working for Villa .Mcleish/lambert/Sherwood all were a bigger disaster than each other  ,poor football ,tactically inept ,bad man management ,poor coaching staff appointments ,you name it they did it .Realistically any of them won't get a job in the PL again ,that's how poor they were at Villa .Think it obvious like I said that the British style /old school manager wasn't working for us and we were only heading in one direction ,it was time to try something different ,Remi Garde is without doubt a different style of manager to what we have had in the last 5 years ,Every comment from managers /supporters /players that know him or have played for him is all extremely prositive.I cannot understand the media fixation with British managers especially with poor records such as out last few managers .PL experience isn't everything ,I wouldn't swap Remi for any of Pearson/Moyes/Big Sam ,I think we have ourselves a very decent manager and I know we're bottom but it's the first time I'm genuinely excited about Villa since the O Neill era ,it's a long way back but the fightback has begun .

I agree with all except the bold.....

I think both Lambert and Sherwood will at some point manage in the premier league again because I can understand the media fixation. I think both have been given a free pass by most over their results at the villa due to the medias fixation with our lack of spending, the ongoing sale and internal sagas. Plus it has and always has been about, not what you know but who you know, not in just football but in life. Also taking into consideration both are linked with jobs like Fulham, QPR and Blackburn I would not be surprised in the slightest if either ended up back in it at some point.

[dukes]

Reckon Rémi should get them out on the training ground and get Amavi and Hutton on them long throws. Wish we had Rory Delap.

you want him topless on the training ground ? Each to their own I suppose, not sure this is the right forum for that stuff though.

[VILLAMARV]

Reckon Rémi should get them out on the training ground and get Amavi and Hutton on them long throws. Wish we had Rory Delap.

you want him topless on the training ground ? Each to their own I suppose, not sure this is the right forum for that stuff though.

Aaaah, man, thats was SOOOOOOO last page although now you ask nothing but topless with his favourite fish will do sorry

 

Meanwhile on page 62...

[hippo]

I could've seen the sense in Pearson as a guy to instill his brand of ' heart' etc but really am pleased Fox etc saw it differently.

I don't see how they can be criticised for the choice really, the easy cop out would've been a Moyes/ Pearson etc but they've had a bit of courage of convictions to my mind. Just baffles me why they didn't do it after Time kept us up...maybe they thought he'd done well enough to make sacking him without a chance look silly ?

Totally agree with BOF the media double standards especially in respect of Klippitty are nausea inducing.

I actually think Garde was ok with the transfer committee  - Moyes/Pearson I feel wouldn't have - at least not in the long term ?