Stevo985 Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Woodytom said: Maybe the two paragraphs in your post about sherwood being the main culprit make it relevant? Not that the usual immature and ignorant response surprises me I don't understand why you're asking me about protests, and how that adds anything to my post. Shouldn't your question be asked to the AVPG? I'm not part of the protests so I can't answer your question. Edited March 30, 2016 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Just now, Stevo985 said: I don't understand why you're asking me about protests, and how that adds anything to my post. Shouldn't your question be asked to the AVPG. I'm not part of the protests so I can't answer your question. Not asking you about protests and you know I'm not. I'm using the protests as indication that it's not as clear cut that sherwood is as much responsible for the transfer window as you suggested he was. I think it's as clear as day that despite inconsistent waffle in the media, sherwood did not want these players. He took his bat home as much as garde has. Yet garde seems to be given much more support from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Not asking you about protests and you know I'm not. I'm using the protests as indication that it's not as clear cut that sherwood is as much responsible for the transfer window as you suggested he was. I think it's as clear as day that despite inconsistent waffle in the media, sherwood did not want these players. He took his bat home as much as garde has. Yet garde seems to be given much more support from it. I still don't really understand what point you're trying to make. I don't "know" you're not asking me about protests. Your question was specifically about protests! Sherwood was more involved with the transfer window than Garde, that's really the only point I was making, and that's a big reason why people are more forgiving towards Garde. Had Garde been given 55m to spend, and spent it incredibly poorly, as part of a transfer committee then he'd rightly be given far less leeway. Edited March 30, 2016 by Stevo985 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: I still don't really understand what point you're trying to make. Sherwood was more involved with the transfer window than Garde, that's really the only point I was making, and that's a big reason why people are more forgiving towards Garde. Had Garde been given 55m to spend, and spent it incredibly poorly, as part of a transfer committee then he'd rightly be given far less leeway. My point is simple - sherwood wasn't involved in transfers as much as you suggest he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Woodytom said: My point is simple - sherwood wasn't involved in transfers as much as you suggest he was. But fundamentally all I'm suggesting is he was more involved than Garde. So I can't see how anyone can disagree with that, unless you're saying Sherwood had absolutely zero input, which simply isn't true according to any evidence. Edited March 30, 2016 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post romavillan Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm not going to enjoy watching this man have success elsewhere. I am pretty sure he will too. Massive shame, totally not his fault, the people that hired him and promised him whatever they did to get him here were then undermined (rightly probably) and so he found himself in a position that no-one fancies authorising cheques in Jan and he gets completely left out to dry. Then the people that hired him get pushed out the club and he is given not even a scrap of verbal backing the entire time. He had identified what the problems were and it's a shame he is gone in my humblest of opinions. He got totally shafted and it's another stain on the clubs already tarnished reputation. The ONLY positive in doing it now is the chance to give a new man some competitive games to work out what Garde knew, that we need a massive overhaul and to start working ASAP on building a good squad. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: But fundamentally all I'm suggesting is he was more involved than Garde. So I can't see how anyone can disagree with that, unless you're saying Sherwood had absolutely zero input, which simply isn't true according to any evidence. I would say the only input that sherwood had was the fact he was there. I think it's as clear as day that he didn't want those players. The transfer committee are to blame for the shoddy purchases (ironically the ones we'd all be happy keeping ). I don't think it can be argued that both sherwood and Garde's mood changed immediately after both transfer windows. Also, and I'm just playing devils advocate here...... If sherwood was involved in the catastrophic summer transfer window and needs to be held responsible, does garde need to take some responsibility for the January transfer window? It may be suggested (along with hardball from the board) that he played a part in NOT attracting players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Woodytom said: I would say the only input that sherwood had was the fact he was there. I think it's as clear as day that he didn't want those players. The transfer committee are to blame for the shoddy purchases (ironically the ones we'd all be happy keeping ). I don't think it can be argued that both sherwood and Garde's mood changed immediately after both transfer windows. Also, and I'm just playing devils advocate here...... If sherwood was involved in the catastrophic summer transfer window and needs to be held responsible, does garde need to take some responsibility for the January transfer window? It may be suggested (along with hardball from the board) that he played a part in NOT attracting players? I think you're being very very generous to Tim Sherwood in saying he didn't want any of the players. As for your last paragraph, yes, and I've said as much in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Woodytom said: The transfer committee are to blame for the shoddy purchases (ironically the ones we'd all be happy keeping ). A lot of fans would be happy with keeping SOME of them. Richards, Lescott, Gestede, Ilori, Crespo and Sinclair were all bought in that window and have all pretty much been a disaster. The biggest problem, as I've said all along, was failing to effectively address key areas of the pitch either through buying poorly, or not buying at all. That was the fault of the fabled "Transfer committee", and Sherwood was a big part of that. Edited March 30, 2016 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I think Garde was just brought in at the wrong time. A proper gentleman, intelligent and articulate, and will, in my opinion, go on to better things. I wish him luck, and will follow his career with interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: I think Garde was just brought in at the wrong time. A proper gentleman, intelligent and articulate, and will, in my opinion, go on to better things. I wish him luck, and will follow his career with interest. At the moment, that would include being a shift manager at Burger King. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 I wanted him to be my dad, some of us wanted to have sex with him, but ultimately we are glad to see him go and Villa can start the new era albeit under a huge blumin cloud called relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: I wanted him to be my dad, some of us wanted to have sex with him, but ultimately we are glad to see him go and Villa can start the new era albeit under a huge blumin cloud called relegation. Are we? I'm also sceptical that this is the start of some "new era". I fully expect the same shit to continue while the incompetence at the top persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mantis said: Are we? Yes, I know, some people actually wanted to have sex with him. The mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, Danwichmann said: At the moment, that would include being a shift manager at Burger King. So funny....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted March 30, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2016 Well said that man. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Surely no one blames Remi Garde. He takes 0% of the blame for our relegation and shambolic state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Are we? I'm also sceptical that this is the start of some "new era". I fully expect the same shit to continue while the incompetence at the top persists. I'll wait and see, you could be right. However, I'm slightly more confident with the current 'board' in place, rather than those other incompetent clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a m ole Posted March 30, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2016 16 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Well said that man. The Lord Hath Spoken END OF 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said: I think Garde was just brought in at the wrong time. A proper gentleman, intelligent and articulate, and will, in my opinion, go on to better things. I wish him luck, and will follow his career with interest. people said same with Lambert that he be back in Premier League within 12 months and now he is looking further away as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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