Popular Post Xela Posted March 27, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2016 Garde has been dealt a shitty hand here, no-one can argue with that, but he has also performed poorly with what he has got. He also clearly has no interest in being here anymore so he has to go. We'd have been no worse off keeping Sherwood (and financially better off) 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Its like saying....she could look pretty if she had a nice dress etc but she hasn't got a nice dress............ ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Whether they were right or wrong will remain a topic of debate. they didn't trust him with the money in Jan to make the necessary effect. The just didn't see enough to build upon. its your call whether they were right or wrong. Edited March 27, 2016 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 45 minutes ago, Xela said: Garde has been dealt a shitty hand here, no-one can argue with that, but he has also performed poorly with what he has got. He also clearly has no interest in being here anymore so he has to go. We'd have been no worse off keeping Sherwood (and financially better off) Agree I also believe we would have a few more points but still in the mire! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 33 minutes ago, TRO said: Whether they were right or wrong will remain a topic of debate. they didn't trust him with the money in Jan to make the necessary effect. The just didn't see enough to build upon. its your call whether they were right or wrong. If they didn't trust him with the money they should have sacked him before the window and got someone in they did. Back him or sack him. Anything else is pathetic and gambling with the future of the club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 56 minutes ago, TRO said: Whether they were right or wrong will remain a topic of debate. they didn't trust him with the money in Jan to make the necessary effect. The just didn't see enough to build upon. its your call whether they were right or wrong. I'm still Pro Garde, but i agree that January suggests the board wasn't/isn't 100% convinced. 21 minutes ago, jon_c said: If they didn't trust him with the money they should have sacked him before the window and got someone in they did. Back him or sack him. Anything else is pathetic and gambling with the future of the club. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Xela said: Garde has been dealt a shitty hand here, no-one can argue with that, but he has also performed poorly with what he has got. He also clearly has no interest in being here anymore so he has to go. We'd have been no worse off keeping Sherwood (and financially better off) That's rubbish. We had to get rid of Sherwood after 4 points in 11 games. We would have certainly got relegated under Sherwood. We did not know exactly what was going to happen under Garde but the club had to make the change. It was a £2 million gamble to change the manager to save potentially tens of millions. It hasn't worked but that is not to say that Villa were wrong in making the move. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: That's rubbish. We had to get rid of Sherwood after 4 points in 11 games. We would have certainly got relegated under Sherwood. We did not know exactly what was going to happen under Garde but the club had to make the change. It was a £2 million gamble to change the manager to save potentially tens of millions. It hasn't worked but that is not to say that Villa were wrong in making the move. Sherwood left after 4 points in 10 games not 11 (small point but to be accurate). Given the situation at the time it felt like the right move to get rid of Sherwood but looking back IMO he wouldn't have done any worse than Garde has (with the benefit of hindsight). In the 10 league games this season under Sherwood we lost only 1 of those 10 games by more than a goal margin (10%) which arguably suggests we were not miles off from getting results in most of the games under him. In the 20 league games under Garde this season we lost 9 of the 20 games by more than a goal margin (45%) which arguably highlights the lack of competitiveness and progression under him. Garde has been poor (regardless of the circumstances) and has to go. Edited March 27, 2016 by Brumstopdogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 27, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: I find this ridiculous. Sherwood, Lambert and Mcleish all deserved to go when they did. And now so does Garde. This notion that some fans will keep hounding out the manager for no reason is just plain stupid and has no basis for even going on about it. I think you've missed the point Mantis was making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 27, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted March 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: In the 10 league games this season under Sherwood we lost only 1 of those 10 games by more than a goal margin (10%) which arguably suggests we were not miles off from getting results in most of the games under him. In the 20 league games under Garde this season we lost 9 of the 20 games by more than a goal margin (45%) which arguably highlights the lack of competitiveness and progression under him. This is the worst use of stats I've seen on here in a while, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Glad to be of service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: I find this ridiculous. Sherwood, Lambert and Mcleish all deserved to go when they did. And now so does Garde. This notion that some fans will keep hounding out the manager for no reason is just plain stupid and has no basis for even going on about it. I beg to differ. All of those managers at least had a summer transfer window. Stevo was right though - that wasn't really my point. My point was that as things stand the next manager will almost certainly fail and once again certain people will fail to recognise the reasons behind that so we'll be stuck in a vicious cycle of getting a new manager every 9-12 months. Edited March 27, 2016 by Mantis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Don't see how the next manager will almost certainly fail. Yes, it will be a tough job but almost certainly fail - I would say no. What we do know is the current manager is failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Don't see how the next manager will almost certainly fail. Yes, it will be a tough job but almost certainly fail - I would say no. What we do know is the current manager is failing. can you really not see how the circumstances might be a little different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said: Sherwood left after 4 points in 10 games not 11 (small point but to be accurate). Given the situation at the time it felt like the right move to get rid of Sherwood but looking back IMO he wouldn't have done any worse than Garde has (with the benefit of hindsight). In the 10 league games this season under Sherwood we lost only 1 of those 10 games by more than a goal margin (10%) which arguably suggests we were not miles off from getting results in most of the games under him. In the 20 league games under Garde this season we lost 9 of the 20 games by more than a goal margin (45%) which arguably highlights the lack of competitiveness and progression under him. Garde has been poor (regardless of the circumstances) and has to go. The only thing which can be highlighted under Garde is the complete incompetence of Fox and co who refused to back a manager who was just about starting to turn the ship around in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Firstly, IMO it is not the only thing. Fox and co are one of many factors that should be considered. As for turning the ship around in January - I think you may be being over generous. Under his weak leadership we have floundered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said: Don't see how the next manager will almost certainly fail. Yes, it will be a tough job but almost certainly fail - I would say no. What we do know is the current manager is failing. If the current circumstances at the top with poor decision making and under-investment continue then yes, they will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 7 hours ago, AshVilla said: Agreed lets leave the new manager bounce till the start of next season its worked wonders for a lot of our previous managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 5 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: That's rubbish. We had to get rid of Sherwood after 4 points in 11 games. We would have certainly got relegated under Sherwood. We did not know exactly what was going to happen under Garde but the club had to make the change. It was a £2 million gamble to change the manager to save potentially tens of millions. It hasn't worked but that is not to say that Villa were wrong in making the move. They were completely wrong in making the move they did. Sacking sherwood - not wrong. Sacking sherwood and replacing him with remi garde - completely and utterly wrong. They're really is no debate. He is as shite as Sherwood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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