PaulC Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Wrong man at the time but from Lyon to Montreal Impact his career has gone downhill and at 50 he should be in his prime as manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He was. But like I said above I think we could have employed Ancelotti or Mourinho and they would have probably been woeful. He MIGHT be a terrible manager. I just don't think we can conclude that from his time here. I don't agree but no point reliving that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 5 hours ago, TrentVilla said: I thought he was woeful truly woeful. But he was stitched up by that imbecile lerner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted November 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Zatman said: Doumbia couldnt get a game for a Newcastle team relegated with us That was my point. I attempted sarcasm on a forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 He wanted to sign Khazri in that window, who went on to be pretty vital in Sunderland's run to safety (gone to shit since then though). Our forward options were bad enough that Doumbia would probably have played quite a lot if he'd come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 13 hours ago, TrentVilla said: I thought he was woeful truly woeful. Agreed. He was a disaster for us and has to take a portion of the blame for us getting relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2017 22 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said: Agreed. He was a disaster for us and has to take a portion of the blame for us getting relegated. A portion yes. But the damage was already done by the time he came. Another manager may have performed better, but I don’t think anyone would have kept us up. In terms of managers, Tim Sherwood is the man responsible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: A portion yes. But the damage was already done by the time he came. Another manager may have performed better, but I don’t think anyone would have kept us up. In terms of managers, Tim Sherwood is the man responsible. Some of the damage had been done yes. When Garde came in we were only 4 points off safety if I recall correctly. In terms of managers Sherwood and Garde are both responsible. Obviously adding in the Lerner factor it was one big turd sandwich! Edited November 11, 2017 by Brumstopdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted November 11, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Brumstopdogs said: Some of the damage had been done yes. When Garde came in we were only 4 points off safety if I recall correctly. You say "only" 4 points off safety like we were doing ok. We had 4 points from 11 games and had gone 10 games without a win. That would be a recoverable position if we had a good team. But we didn't. We had the worst squad in our premier league history because Sherwood spunked £60 million up the wall, and any decent players he did get in he completely failed to integrate into the team by not even speaking to them (in some cases) hence morale was probably completely through the floor. Oh and the squad were incredibly unfit due to the, by all accounts, absolute joke of a pre-season Sherwood presided over. And the only chance Garde had of adding anything to the squad he was denied by the board accepting relegation and saving their pennies. Am I defending Garde? Not really. Like I said he might be awful, I just think our situation was so **** up by the ownership and the buffoon of a manager he had to follow that it's hard to judge him. But when if you're talking about which manager (i.e. taking the ownership out of the equation) is most responsible for our relegation then how anyone can look beyond Sherwood is beyond me. He relegated us in the Summer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 27 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: You say "only" 4 points off safety like we were doing ok. No, I say it because factually we were 4 points off safety when Sherwood left - clearly we weren't doing OK otherwise we wouldn't have been 20th! Of course there were big problems for Garde to deal with when he came in but he failed across a period of 23 game to make any material difference. I don't recall enjoying one match under Garde's leadership. He was that bad! Good luck to him in his latest managerial position though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 On 11/9/2017 at 21:05, rodders0223 said: MLS, where careers go to die. No, that's Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Even if garde kept us up we would have gone down the following season while Lerner was there anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 A decent manager should be able to come in and at least motivate the players, even if the squad is poor. Garde came in and actually made us worse - no mean achievement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 hours ago, MrDuck said: A decent manager should be able to come in and at least motivate the players, even if the squad is poor. Garde came in and actually made us worse - no mean achievement. He didn’t though. We were still terrible, but we were better than the 4 points from 10 games garnered at the start of the season. I’m quite surprised that this is his first job since leaving Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, bobzy said: He didn’t though. We were still terrible, but we were better than the 4 points from 10 games garnered at the start of the season. I’m quite surprised that this is his first job since leaving Villa. Sherwood managed 10 wins in 28, Garde managed 3 in 23. I reckon he made us worse. Although this is a bit of a which-is-the-tastiest-turd contest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 14 hours ago, MrDuck said: Sherwood managed 10 wins in 28, Garde managed 3 in 23. I reckon he made us worse. Although this is a bit of a which-is-the-tastiest-turd contest... It’s pointless taking into account the previous season. Garde wasn’t working with that. He was working with the Sherwood mess that is the main reason we are where we are now. Not the cup final team, the 8 losses in 10 team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Sherwood was a chancer lets be honest but he was no worse than Garde. I expected more from him. He should have got more of a tune out of Gana, Ayew, Veretout etc. Then again the damage was done in the transfer window when we didn't buy a proven striker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, omariqy said: Sherwood was a chancer lets be honest but he was no worse than Garde. Except he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) On 11/13/2017 at 10:36, MrDuck said: Sherwood managed 10 wins in 28, Garde managed 3 in 23. I reckon he made us worse. Although this is a bit of a which-is-the-tastiest-turd contest... Sherwood had a inform benteke, Garde didnt Edited November 14, 2017 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 38 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Except he was. Maybe. Pointless argument though. They were both shit. Although saying that, it is unfair to define how good of a manager Garde is based on his spell at Villa considering he had no chance to improve the team and morale was already terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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