New manager

[dudevillaisnice]

 

An experienced premier league manager is required for this Villa Job.

Alex McLeish is an example you missed out on.

The best candidate for the job is what is needed. Our squad make up is not based on British players.

Edited October 26, 2015 by dudevillaisnice

[TheMightyVillans]

Well if he actually wants the future arsenal job this would be a great opportunity for him to prove himself.

[sexbelowsound]

Why does a 49 year old only have 3 years managerial experience? That's my concern. 

7 years an assistant too. 3 as head coach.

Yep, It's called learning the trade the right way. Not talking your way into a job.

[romavillan]

Well if he actually wants the future arsenal job this would be a great opportunity for him to prove himself.

Totally and if he went from us to managing Arsenal it would mean we would be doing well in the league, so win-win.

[StefanAVFC]

Why does a 49 year old only have 3 years managerial experience? That's my concern. 

7 years an assistant too. 3 as head coach.

Yep, It's called learning the trade the right way. Not talking your way into a job.

Bingo.

[useless]

I read an article yesterday that said when he was at Arsenal he was basically a coach and Wenger used him as a go-between, between himself and the squad to get his ideas across.

Edited October 26, 2015 by useless

[gaz711]

Why does a 49 year old only have 3 years managerial experience? That's my concern. 

Because he coached at Lyon from 2003 then took assistant managers job under houllier, after that he became their head of youth development before taking Lyon job in 2011 and eventually left in 2014.

[sexbelowsound]

I read an article yesterday that said when he was Arsenal he was basically a coach and Wenger used him as a go-between, between himself and the squad to get his ideas across.

That was suggested on TalkSport this morning but Ray Parlour wasn't really having it. Saying that though it was suggested to him that Garde was Wenger's eyes and ears within the squad which sounds like he was a snitch so maybe Parlour was just sticking up for him.

[useless]

I read an article yesterday that said when he was Arsenal he was basically a coach and Wenger used him as a go-between, between himself and the squad to get his ideas across.

That was suggested on TalkSport this morning but Ray Parlour wasn't really having it. Saying that though it was suggested to him that Garde was Wenger's eyes and ears within the squad which sounds like he was a snitch so maybe Parlour was just sticking up for him.

Here's the article

"I do recall Wenger chatting to him one-on-one several times after training as we all wandered in," says Clarke. "He was 30 at the time, but he seemed much older. I think most of us saw him as a virtual player-coach, even though he wasn't part of the coaching team."
 

[hippo]

I am not saying Remi Garde would be a bad appointment but it would certainly be a risky one. I think if he had a full pre season or was even coming into the club with us not sitting in such a precarious position I'd be a lot more comfortable with it.

This job and the task of keeping us up will be a lot for any manager to take on. Garde has never managed or coached in the Premier League before and in fact only has three years managerial experience behind him at a club he knew inside out before taking the job.

Given the position we are in we don't have time for a manager to settle in. We need someone to come in a be able to hit the ground running and be able to get over a plan quickly and effectively. I think that was the appeal of Allardyce recently and Pulis last season. I know some turn their noses up at their ilk and they do have glass ceilings as to where their brand of football will take you but we are a million miles away currently from having to worry about anything other than finishing 17th.

Foreign managers I know have done really well in this country and I am not just talking about the top guys at the big clubs. Pochettino did great at Saints and is doing well at Spurs and Koeman is doing great at Saints. However I am struggling to think of a foreign manager with no experience of managing in England that has gone into a club really struggling and had a positive impact. Mel at WBA, Magath at Fulham and Solskjaer at Cardiff spring to mind and all were a disaster.

For me I think given where we are I would be way more comfortable with someone who knows the league inside out and would therefore go all out for Moyes or failing that Rodgers,

If it is to be Garde though then he will get my full backing as given the task whoever the manager is will need all the help and backing they can get.

Yes, thats where I am. I think Moyes is a non starter. Personally Im hoping for Sean Dyke, best of bad bunch, but he seems a no nonsense guy, and he knows the championship should the worse happen.

Of course if Garde comes and wins game after game, I will be shouting his name very loudly. But to me he has disaster written all over him.

[dudevillaisnice]

Dyche didn't keep Burnley up so where's the thinking there? We aren't completely down yet.

[hippo]

Garde is not the man that can save us from relegation. People are excited because he is a foreign manager that sounds exciting. Because he is a good french Ligue 1 manager does not necessarily make him a right fit for the club. What players would he bring in January? we need Premier League Experience. Our problem is that we are an easy team to beat because the squad are mentally weak, we need a manager that can make us a difficult team to play against, and give us that ruthlessness home and away.

 

How much of Remi Garde's teams have you seen?

There seems to be a lot of French Football experts on here all of a sudden. I have no idea if Remi Garde is a good fit or not. And I doubt 95% of VillaTalkers do either.

 

How many successful european managers have came to this league and struggled? 

This is the Premiership, the hardest and most unforgiving league in world football, An experienced premier league manager is required for this Villa Job. 

Why do you think managers like Big Sam, Mark Hughes and Pullis are in high demand amongst the mid table sides in this league? 

An unfashionable view, but pretty much spot on. good post.

 

[ChrisVillan]

I'm finding the idea that Garde will relegate us quite amusing. Nothing like exposing an agenda before he's even got here, eh? Unless the new boss matches his performance it'll be Sherwood that's relegated us. And Lerner, natch.

Do I have to mention Tom Fox in every post? Not clear on the rules of posting in these threads but it seems to be the done thing.  

[One For The Road]

Remi Garde has an air of Fulham's Meulesteen/Magath appointments to me. It's a huge gamble bringing in yet another inexperienced manager. If this appointment fails we are ******* so I can't believe we are hiring a man who has only managed for a few years and never managed in the Prem at all.

Edited October 26, 2015 by One For The Road

[useless]

The only thing he has in common with Meulesteen and Magath is that they're not English. And Garde isn't inexperienced in fact he seems pretty experienced to me. I think he might turn out to be just what the club needs.

[VillanousOne]

he turned down Newcastle, so we could at least wind up some Geordies with this appointment which is a win!

Chris Moyles is not leaving Spain anytime soon, pretty much every other manager out there is either a risk or crap.

 

[hippo]

I'm finding the idea that Garde will relegate us quite amusing. Nothing like exposing an agenda before he's even got here, eh? Unless the new boss matches his performance it'll be Sherwood that's relegated us. And Lerner, natch.

Do I have to mention Tom Fox in every post? Not clear on the rules of posting in these threads but it seems to be the done thing.  

If thats the case why don't we just give Gareth Barry the job ?  - and not permit any criticism until he's  had a fair crack of the whip. Because like Garde it won't work out.

[MikeMcKenna]

Garde is a perfect fit IMO for Villa. I cannot remember the last time we had an intelligent and tactically astute manager. He had been touted as Wengers eventual replacement and was loved at Lyon where they considered him to be their equivalent of Pep Guardiola. If he joins us, he as much chance of saving us as anyone. OK he may not be able to avoid relegation (I am not certain if anyone could) but I am confident that this guy could help Villa rise from the ashes.  For too long with notable exceptions over 20 years ago, we have "made do" with managers who either had no pedigree, maybe a good couple of seasons elsewhere or in Sherwoods case 25% of a season. We have undoubtedly had our moments with managers but a looking back to Graham Taylor first time round it shows that we have got progressively worse in picking managers

Sherwood - was probably the most tactically inept manager we ever had but sounded good and talked himself into the job.

Lambert - he did well at Norwich in the Champsionship but was he ever cut out to be a PL manager at a club that was in dire financial straits? His constant reference to "the project" illustrated that he role first and foremost was to cut the wage bill and make do with lower league players. From time to time he had good spells albeit very brief, but as we got deeper into trouble his tactics were all over the place.

McLeish - like everyone else I could never fathom why we went anywhere near him. Probably the most boring and negative manager we ever had. He did nothing at sha and managed to get them relegated - his reward? The managers job at Villa - incredible! 

MON - I will not deny that I was excited by his appointment and for a while it looked like we were going somewhere. But then it started to unravel as he loaded us with journeymen on high wages, had no depth in the squad and injuries took their toll. He was reputed to be a good man manager and had flashes of inspiration but tactics were not his strength and his legacy left us in a mess. He didn't build for the future and when the money ran out he ran away leaving us with lots of overpaid players.

O'Leary - All mouth and no trousers - he was never going to make it as a PL manager and was another one whose profile got him into the job. An egotist in the extreme he thought his career at Arsenal made him natural management material. He hadn't got a clue. 

Graham Taylor (2nd time round) - his appointment was an act of desperation by Ellis - second time round he had lost the plot. 

John Gregory - another manager that I liked as a person, Villa through and through. But his football was dour and relationship with Ellis meant it was never going to end well. Signed some good players and had he been able to get another couple I think his reign would have been longer. His biggest mistake was undervaluing and not signing Robbie Keane.

Brian Little - loved Brian as a player - one of my few real heroes. IMO he had the makings of a great Villa manager. When he joined he saved us from relegation and start to build a new squad that did extremely well achieving our two highest finishes in the PL in the last 20 years - 4th/5th while also winning the League Cup. But his big mistake was buying Collymore who in turn let him down badly. No idea why he left but think Collymores signing was his undoing and that Ellis was to blame in someway. 

Ron Atkinson - Big personality that managed to put together a hard working team with tremendous spirit that came second to Man United in the first season of the PL. But for the seven minutes extra time that Man United were given at Sheffield Wednesday he may have well won the PL for us. How different might things have then panned out for the future of our club. However  his ageing squad and relationship with Ellis meant it was never going to end well.

Joe Venglos - Our first "foreign" manager. Joe arrived after formerly managing Czechoslovakia to the quarter finals of the World Cup. A weird appointment by Ellis, Joe never managed to get us going and we finished two positions off the relegation zone. And he was off

Graham Taylor - First time round he was a great manager. In his first season he helped us get back into division one, struggled as he rebuilt in his second but in his third almost won Division one finishing second to Liverpool after often leading the league playing great football. Then England came calling and he was off. 

 

In my opinion, we have had enough of dross managers and need someone who is intelligent and can change our clubs direction - Garde if he joins us could be the one to it. Moyes, Rogers, Pearson and many of the others named offer nothing for the future beyond surviving as a second rate PL team. 

Edited October 26, 2015 by MikeMcKenna

[ChrisVillan]

They're not the same thing. 

Edited October 26, 2015 by ChrisVillan

[hippo]

They're not the same thing. 

 

I know but what your saying is we shouldn't point out a managers weaknesses before he  arrives.

Where as I think thats the best time to do it.

Looke if he comes and wins games I will like him. I just think thats unlikley.

Edited October 26, 2015 by hippo