andykeenan Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Friday ITV 7.45pmRooney is a doubt for the game Stones has pulled out & will not featureShould be couple of goals & a win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted October 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2015 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Just to add to the tedious nature of these two games, I've done some number crunching in regards to the effect these 2 remaining qualifiers can have on England's pool seeding for the tournament (based from here, so anything below could be a big pile of nonsense):There are 6 groups of 4 in Euro 2016, so there are 4 pots of 6 teams. Teams are seeded according to their "UEFA Ranking" which is based on Qualification and performance for and during Euro 2012 and WC 2014 along with qualification for 2016. These "performances" are made up of points - you get roughly 1660 points for a win in a 6 team group, 800 for a draw and 360 for a loss (and these are affected by goals scored & conceded).France and Spain (as hosts and holders) will be in pot 1 anyway. Leaving 4 remaining places to fight over - the current standing are (total current points in brackets):1. Germany (38236) 2. Spain (34662) 3. France (33599) 4. England (32662) 5. Netherlands (31679) 6. Belgium (31142) 7. Portugal (31088) 8. Italy (31084) 9. Russia (28085)With the 2 "automatic" seeds in the top 6 above, there it'll be the top 4 sides around them to make it to the top pot. As far as I can see, only Portugal and Italy look like they can gatecrash the top seeds - Russia can manage ~31500 points with 2 stonking wins, however Belgium will stay above them even with 2 defeats (on ~31700 points). In order for Portugal to overtake England, they need to gain 1574 points. As they're in a 5 team group, they gain more points for each game. For Italy to overtake England, they need to gain 1578 points over England. If The Netherlands fail to make the playoffs (Turkey taking 4 points from their 2 games against already qualified nations would see this happen, whatever the Dutch do), both teams along with Belgium will need to overhaul England to drop the Three Lions into pot 2. Should the Dutch pull it out of the bag and squeak through the playoffs, the Dutch, Belgians and one of Portugal or Italy would need to overtake England.Two England losses would see them on ~33300 points, requiring Portugal to gain 2294 points (a win -2050 points- and a loss -450 points- would do it, two draws -1000 points- wouldn't probably be enough). Italy would need a win and a draw, Belgium would also need a win and a draw. The Netherlands would need a win (two draws wouldn't be enough either).An England draw and loss would put them on ~33800 points. Portugal and Holland would need a win and a draw, Italy and Belgium would need 2 wins.England winning 1 game and losing another = ~34600 points: Portugal and Holland would need 2 wins, Italy and Belgium couldn't overtake England.England getting a win and a draw = ~35100 points: Portugal would probably overtake England with 2 wins. Holland wouldn't be able to overtake England.Two England wins = ~35900 points. England would be in the top seed pot whatever happens (aside Long story short:If either England win either game, (assuming my maths hasn't failed me) they'll be looking forward to being top seeds in France and drawing Italy, Wales and Albania in the group stages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Does anyone actually give a flying **** about Woy and his band of Bores? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) have a like for the effort at least! I think we'll win both - it helps not having that rotund has been Rooney in there any more. We'll win both matches 1/2-0 in an absolute snorefest, but still come away with a perfect 12/12. :s Edited October 8, 2015 by Rodders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Does anyone actually give a flying **** about Woy and his band of Bores?Never have. Never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I might be mildly interested in this one if he plays some unusual faces. Interesting to see if Walcott gets a go at being a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2015 Does anyone actually give a flying **** about Woy and his band of Bores?I do. I actually like international football.Plus it's nice to watch a team you support win on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sexbelowsound Posted October 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2015 A team filled with players I don't like managed by a manager who is as dull as the football he oversees.Couldn't careless. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I love international break nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted October 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2015 A team filled with players I don't like managed by a manager who is as dull as the football he oversees.Couldn't careless. Could be worse. Us Scots have a team filled with players we've never heard of who only dream of being able to play dull football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Delph still injured?His tail must still be sore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Lovely goal from Theo there, brilliantly timed that run. He does score quite a lot of goals considering he doesn't appear to be able to hit a cow's arse with a banjo most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw95 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I watch these games like any non-Villa games, just because I like to watch football...Kane has been utter shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Estonia have defended like heroes in this game, to a man they have been superb at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 One of the most entertaining England games I've watched, an no Rooney, shock horror! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Job. Done. Decent enough first half before I lost interest and wandered off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I thought it was as boring as ****! Hard to judge because it's finished, we've qualified, walcotts goal was a thing of beauty, great run, brilliant ball, brilliant composed finish (it's bollocks that Walcott can't finish) I know woy toes the party line and says he's more or less there but I struggle to find anything exciting about us, vardy did nothing wrong but he's still Jamie **** vardy, Barkley had a great game but he's still the 9th second coming since gazzaWith no villa player on show I really struggle to be interested Fwiw I think Roy has a shape, he's got a formation, he's got an idea, if he sticks with it I think we might be ok, if he changes it because he's trying to shoe horn players in (ie like every other England manager in my life, including himself criminally in Brazil) then we'll fail again, my judgment is out on Roy until everyone is fit and he had to drop someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Boring match, boring group.Starting 11 wasn't too bad but how the f*** does Lallana start, he's been woeful for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Serious question.Why can't a 50m footballer strike a ball cleanly over 12 yards time and time again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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