The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[Rds1983]

 

[It's Your Round]

More quality work from the Tory scumbags as 265 Tory MPs voted down an amendment to stop private water companies from dumping raw sewage into the UK’s rivers and coastlines. 

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“Lords Amendment 45 to the Environment Bill would have placed a legal duty on water companies in England and Wales “to make improvements to their sewerage systems and demonstrate progressive reductions in the harm caused by discharges of untreated sewage.”

“Despite the horrendous environmental impact of the disgusting practice, shortly before the vote, the Conservative Environment Secretary George Eustice recommended to his fellow MPs that they should reject it.”

“And, owing largely to the government’s 80 seat majority, the amendment was indeed defeated – by a margin of 268 MPs to 204.”

I wonder what the financial incentive was that made them vote for more pollution? 

[Genie]

7 minutes ago, It's Your Round said:

More quality work from the Tory scumbags as 265 Tory MPs voted down an amendment to stop private water companies from dumping raw sewage into the UK’s rivers and coastlines. 

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“Lords Amendment 45 to the Environment Bill would have placed a legal duty on water companies in England and Wales “to make improvements to their sewerage systems and demonstrate progressive reductions in the harm caused by discharges of untreated sewage.”

“Despite the horrendous environmental impact of the disgusting practice, shortly before the vote, the Conservative Environment Secretary George Eustice recommended to his fellow MPs that they should reject it.”

“And, owing largely to the government’s 80 seat majority, the amendment was indeed defeated – by a margin of 268 MPs to 204.”

I wonder what the financial incentive was that made them vote for more pollution? 

A brexit benefit, no pesky EU rules to worry about. 

 

[It's Your Round]

Just now, Genie said:

A brexit benefit, no pesky EU rules to worry about. 

 

Yep, we can destroy as much wildlife as we want now and Brussels can’t stop us. What a glorious prize

[chrisp65]

The freedom to swim in our own shit.

We won, get over it.

[theboyangel]

2 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

The freedom to swim in our own shit.

We won, get over it.

My south Devon MP even voted against this.

Yet another reason for me not to vote for him and I’ll continue to convince others to do likewise. 
 

Sadly it’s a Tory stronghold area so won’t make a jot of difference

[ml1dch]

Ingenious policy making once again. 

Having surrendered the livelihoods of the nation's fishermen and given everything to the French, just salt the earth and sort it so they'd never want to take any fish from anywhere near the UK again. 

Enjoy your huitres a la merde followed by your pan roasted Saint Pierre with its tampon accoutrement Jean-Claude. That'll teach you to make us look so silly.

Edited October 24, 2021 by ml1dch

[HanoiVillan]

3 hours ago, It's Your Round said:

More quality work from the Tory scumbags as 265 Tory MPs voted down an amendment to stop private water companies from dumping raw sewage into the UK’s rivers and coastlines. 

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“Lords Amendment 45 to the Environment Bill would have placed a legal duty on water companies in England and Wales “to make improvements to their sewerage systems and demonstrate progressive reductions in the harm caused by discharges of untreated sewage.”

“Despite the horrendous environmental impact of the disgusting practice, shortly before the vote, the Conservative Environment Secretary George Eustice recommended to his fellow MPs that they should reject it.”

“And, owing largely to the government’s 80 seat majority, the amendment was indeed defeated – by a margin of 268 MPs to 204.”

I wonder what the financial incentive was that made them vote for more pollution? 

Related to this, I note that it didn't take long for them to turn the murder of their colleague into a shield protecting them from even the mildest of criticism:

Don't think the preview shows it all, so the exchange in full:

[Stevo985]

I'm failing to see the language he's referring to

[HanoiVillan]

7 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm failing to see the language he's referring to

Indeed. Almost as if the language isn't an issue at all, and merely an excuse to shut down legitimate criticism of his acts as an elected representative.

[chrisp65]

That particular tory has lots of form here.

He suggested that we needed a marksman to sort out Jeremy Corbyn. When challenged, he claimed he was being victimised.

He suggested Welsh language on road signs was dangerous and caused accidents. When asked (in english) for his data to prove this, he claimed he was being bullied by Welsh speaking nationalists.

The guy is not nice.

[Davkaus]

I'm not familiar with this particular turd, but it's a fairly well used response from the tory playbook, they do it in the house all the time, whenever there's a question they don't want to answer they attack the tone of the questioner and refuse to answer, it happens far too frequently for it to be anything but a rehearsed line from CCHQ.

 

[bobzy]

15 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Related to this, I note that it didn't take long for them to turn the murder of their colleague into a shield protecting them from even the mildest of criticism:

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Makes you question why some people become an MP.  It clearly isn't to help others.

 

**** prick.

Edited October 25, 2021 by bobzy

[StefanAVFC]

5 hours ago, bobzy said:

 

Makes you question why some people become an MP.  It clearly isn't to help others.

 

**** prick.

Why does anyone become a mp really?

Those in power are there because they want power. 

Those who end up in power without really wanting to be (Ardern for example) are often better leaders. 

Bring back sortition 

[ml1dch]

 

 

[Ingram85]

I think things need to get industrial now. Sod the protests, any factories that do this just need blowing up. There’s more serious stuff at stake now, we need to reclaim the planet back from the conglomerates and “leaders”. 

[Davkaus]

It sounds like it simply isn't profitable to invest enough in infrastructure to prevent dumping huge volumes of sewage into the sea. So we have a sea full of shit, underfunded infrastructure, while Southern Water make about £200m in profit each year. £200m isn't a lot, but we're into the billions when looking at annual profits of all British water companies. Even more so than the energy companies, this is a monopoly that ought to be renationalised, and we should invest properly in our infrastructure rather than leaving it to private enterprise to decide that the fines are more affordable than acting lawfully.

Southern were found guilty of under reporting how much they dumped into the sea over several years, and their fine was £90m, a fraction of their profits over those years. It's not enough. 

Edited October 26, 2021 by Davkaus

[Genie]

How long till the EU refuses any of our fish as they’ve been swimming in shit?

Papers: EU punishes the UK again for leaving.

[chrisp65]

Weren’t the water companies privatised so there would be a mechanism from much needed infrastructure works?

People are getting their share dividends but in 32 years the privatisation hasn’t raised the money promised to fix the infrastructure?

Surely it’s as simple as letting them know that they can next pay dividends the same year they discharge zero turds in to the rivers or the sea.

Life doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.

 

[Xann]

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England's privatised water industry is a failed system that only benefits shareholders, a new report from the Public Services International Research Unit (PSIRU) at the University of Greenwich has found.

The report – "The Privatised Water Industry in the UK: An ATM for Investors" – shows that the 40% real increase in English water bills since privatisation in 1991 has not been due to higher investment, as claimed by OFWAT and the companies themselves, but is a result of ever higher interest payments on £47 billion of debt, accrued due to £50 billion paid in dividends to shareholders.

Comparing the private English water and sewerage companies with the publicly owned Scottish Water (created in 2002), the report reveals that:

In Scotland, real bills are still the same as they were 17 years ago, whilst English bills have increased by over 16% in real terms over the same time period.

Publicly owned Scottish Water invests over one-third more on a per capita basis than the private English companies - £282 per household per year over the last 17 years, compared with only £210 per household per year in England - contradicting claims by the English companies and their regulator, OFWAT, that price rises in England have been due to high levels of investment. 

Since 1991, the surplus money available to the English companies to pay dividends averaged £0.15 billion per year, but in every single year except 1995, the dividends actually paid to shareholders far averaging almost £2billion. The gap was bridged by borrowing year after year, building the £47billion debt mountain that exists today.

Speaking about the findings, Professor David Hall, PSIRU, University of Greenwich said:

"This report clearly shows that the high prices and high debts of the English water companies are not due to high investments. The companies could have funded all of their operations and investments from customer bills, without taking on any debt whatsoever. The £47 billion of debt, and the interest we pay on it, is simply down to a systematic extraction of shareholder payouts far in excess of any available cash surplus.

"This system is not sustainable and seriously disadvantages consumers. They have not been helped by a fog of misleading statements by both water companies and the regulator OFWAT. The report further strengthens the case for taking water back into public ownership with strong democratic oversight, as in most European countries."

 

University of Greenwich

Publically owned water had stashed money for upgrades and repairs to the system.

The suits paid that stash out as dividends when they got in, of course.