Davkaus Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, why *did* he have a camera in the ceiling of his private office? And who had access to it? I can't help finding it a bit weird. And how many people could possibly have had access to the footage inside the private office of a cabinet minister? There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the whip's office have been sat on this footage until such a time that Hancock was more useful in front of a bus than as a meat shield within the cabinet. The private email business too. They've dumped the blackmail folder to get as much heat on him as possible, and any official inquiry will set him up as the reason for every poor decision in the last 16 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, why *did* he have a camera in the ceiling of his private office? And who had access to it? I can't help finding it a bit weird. Exactly and watching it it all looked fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: I don’t think he wanted to get out so bad that he’d humiliate his wife and kids like this. The press will have tipped number 10 off that this was coming though I’m certain. Theres a few conspiracy theories going around but it just doesnt look real to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Ministers promising to investigate the video leak. Maybe it was left with all the classified documents about the British military at a Kent bus stop? I wonder if the person who leaked the video of a politician kissing his bit on the side will be in more trouble than the person who lost classified military documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Video must have been a while back, hasn't got that middle bit of hair anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 27, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Genie said: I wonder if the person who leaked the video of a politician kissing his bit on the side will be in more trouble than the person who lost classified military documents. I doubt it for several reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, PaulC said: The whole thing with Hancock looked fake to me. I think he deliberately set the whole thing up so he could get out. No chance. There's loads of ways he could have resigned without embarrassing himself and his family to this extent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Personally, if I was somewhere, anywhere, within a Westminster ministerial building, I’d presume I’m on camera. If he didn’t know there was a camera there, are we suggesting it was disguised or hidden? A spy cam inside a light fitting or a smoke detector? I wouldn’t mind betting it was actually a black perplex dome, a bit like an internal security camera. He’ll have been undone by simply forgetting it was there or presuming it would never be viewed. I’m going with familiarity breeds contempt, rather than covert ops from Cummings or Murdoch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 It’s just the kind of arrogant nonchalance you would firmly expect to see from this rabble of shite. Raab’s probably the only one who hasn’t been directly and individually accused of some form of scandal in the past couple of years isn’t he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I wouldn’t mind betting it was actually a black perplex dome, a bit like an internal security camera. He’ll have been undone by simply forgetting it was there or presuming it would never be viewed. I’m going with familiarity breeds contempt, rather than covert ops from Cummings or Murdoch. It was reported in The Times that it was a hidden camera, specifically they claimed it was in a smoke detector. The Mail have published an image of the camera and the layout of the room though, and it is exactly as you described. I don't think it needs to be a hidden camera to have a good idea that there are political machinations at play though, and it's certainly an interesting coincidence that the footage came out the day after Cummings testimony about Hancock. Edited June 27, 2021 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, Davkaus said: It was reported in The Times that it was a hidden camera, specifically they claimed it was in a smoke detector. The Mail have published an image of the camera and the layout of the room though, and it is exactly as you described. I don't think it needs to be a hidden camera to have a good idea that there are political machinations at play though, and it's certainly an interesting coincidence that the footage came out the day after Cummings testimony about Hancock. Yep, there are two different things here. There are clearly political machinations. One of the puppet masters has decided now is the time to pull the trigger on something they’ve been holding for awhile. Which has been provided to them by an insider. Whether its Cummings / Murdoch / Johnson or another or a combo is what’s up for debate. However, it’s different level if it was a hidden camera not on the official security system and unknown to Hancock. If that was the case, I’d expect every minister and every civil servant in all four nations to be demanding an urgent security sweep of everywhere. I’m not picking up that vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, why *did* he have a camera in the ceiling of his private office? And who had access to it? I can't help finding it a bit weird. That seems the most bonkers thing. And I mean if you did, then the footage should be the most secure of secure. Christ only knows what actual properly SHOULD be secret goings on could have been filmed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 27, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: It’s just the kind of arrogant nonchalance you would firmly expect to see from this rabble of shite. Raab’s probably the only one who hasn’t been directly and individually accused of some form of scandal in the past couple of years isn’t he? Personally I think his constituency electing an amoeba was pretty scandalous There have been a few unproven Raab stories and there was an Industrial Tribunal where he had to pay out in a compromise agreement (Bullying rather than sexual iirc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, sidcow said: That seems the most bonkers thing. And I mean if you did, then the footage should be the most secure of secure. Christ only knows what actual properly SHOULD be secret goings on could have been filmed. Yeah, the national security implications are worrying, and no surprise that it's ended up in the hands of Murdoch's media empire. Are they bugging politicians? I seem to recall an allegation during the phone hacking scandal that this was something they were up to, will have to look for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) I was loathe to post the Mail as a source, but here are the images. It looks pretty conclusive to me. Camera in the top right. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9728843/Matt-Hancocks-affair-footage-office-CCTV-reveals-GLEN-OWEN.html Floorplan: The position and angle matches up perfectly, I'd say, and it'd be very unusual indeed for the camera to be removed to be replaced with a covert camera in the same position. Hancock was just overconfident that it wouldn't be viewed or used against him. Edited June 27, 2021 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Yeah, I completely agree that's the camera, no question. But who has access to the images? Can you hack a CCTV camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2021 No. 10 decided it was time for him to go, they lined up a replacement that was to their liking and then leaked the footage to some friendly journalists to put the final blow in place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, Chindie said: No. 10 decided it was time for him to go, they lined up a replacement that was to their liking and then leaked the footage to some friendly journalists to put the final blow in place. Very "The Thick of It" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 The man just can’t help himself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) Times front page tomorrow: We look likely to get the first necessary legislative steps to set up 'processing' for asylum seekers in a third country, possibly in Rwanda in a centre jointly operated with Denmark. Very, very grim. EDIT: Though seems like the Rwandans are not on board with this plan, or weren't as of recently anyway: Maybe we're going to end up doing this 'offshore processing' on the Falklands or something. Edited June 27, 2021 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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