choffer Posted September 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Why would he be being paid for socialising? I'm confused. Made sense in my head but possibly only my head. I was imagining a scenario such as the one you suggested where MP's couldn't get paid for a bit of "consulting" on the side but this lying bunch of imbeciles would still do the work, get paid for it and then pretend they weren't doing any work at all - just hanging out with mates at Glaxo and the money was nothing to do with it. Maybe too much of a leap on my part but I was just riffing on the theme that a Tory will swear black is white if there's something in it for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 17, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: it would have to be combined with real enforcement of taking no outside work. If people don't want to change the system, that's absolutely fine and a valid opinion, but then they should shut up about Chris Grayling, because he's not doing anything he's not allowed to do. Why wouldn't he take the job, and why wouldn't they offer it to him. This is the system we currently have, working fine. Hmmm. I don't favour banning people from having a second "job". Partly on the basis that it is completely unenforceable - I mean to start with, what if an MP wants to write a book, or a newspaper article, or help a charity or work as a Doctor or Nurse, or Reservist - I mean where is the line drawn and defined? who decides - some kind of committee, or do you make it an absolute blanket ban on any paid or unpaid "labour"? Are some jobs are OK and some not OK? So that's part of the reason. The second reason is that I think as a kind of free society, people should be allowed to have more than one role. It used to be(maybe still is) that members of the armed forces were not allowed to do a second job without express permission, but even people paid to be available 24/7 could with permission do other jobs. But, I do think the likes of Grayling, plus Osborne and others having multiple, high paid jobs while also being MPs needs fixing. Maybe there could be a ban on more than one additional role? So Rosina Alin-Khan can carry on working as an MP and a Doctor (part time), or MPs can also be reservists for example? It won't fix things, but it might prevent some of the worst examples. There's also a code of some sort whereby MPs or Ministers are currently prevented from just jumping into roles for which they had/have a brief - you can't be transport secretary and then jump to work for Northern Rail or British Airways - there's a year (maybe?) time limit or something like that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, bickster said: Nobody said he was being paid but he was socialising with them over drinks that they paid for (hypothetically of course) Okay, sure, but that's perfectly *possible* today as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Hmm thought-provoking points @blandy and @choffer, need to think further about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 17, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Okay, sure, but that's perfectly *possible* today as well. WOuldn't disagree, I was merely adding my interpretation of a post you claimed not to undertstand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted September 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2020 Some nice sentiments on display here, but would we say that the UK government is helping this situation overall? Maybe, just maybe, if we weren't supporting a blockade that prevents food and medicine from reaching Yemen, there would be less risk of a famine. As usual, donate to Yemen, don't vote Tory, oppose military support of the Saudi government. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Raab: I haven’t actually sat down and worked out who’s selling bombs to murderous dictator regimes, but from what I have seen, it turns out there absolutely loads of sand in the desert. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted September 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, snowychap said: hahahahahahaha that'll make her popular in the financial district I might start selling my piss on ebay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, snowychap said: Will it also include those working in Westminster? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 How is that relevant to anything right now? A random right wing squawk over the tannoy of the ship that's breaking up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted September 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: Will it also include those working in Westminster? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Why do we need to contact Tracey? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Genie said: Why do we need to contact Tracey? To ask about her dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 minute ago, snowychap said: To ask about her dog? Just Googled that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Genie said: Will it also include those working in Westminster? It won't include anyone, because it won't happen, but it's particularly amusing to imagine where these tests would be processed when there is absolutely no lab testing capacity anywhere in the country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Genie said: Why do we need to contact Tracey? Pregnant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted September 19, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 19, 2020 It's the Daily Heil but... Quote Dominic Raab's bodyguard sparks police dash after his loaded, semi-automatic Glock 19 pistol is found on a plane seat by a cleaner Alarm was raised by a cleaner after she found the unattended weapon on board Police officers descended on the jet which had flown back from Washington DC Eventually stood down after realising the gun belonged to a protection officer Former Scotland Yard officer described the incident 'embarrassing' for police Heil Do they intelligence match the protection officers to the Minister they are protecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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