chrisp65 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I’ll be honest, I’d expected Kinnock to be in there. Grealish blindsided me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I'd been looking forward to seeing what @tonyh29 made of this farce. You didn't disappoint I’ve not made a comment on this “farce” I made a comment on the inconsistency of a poster writing to his MP when seemingly he hasn’t had any urge to write to anyone else about other people’s actions during lockdown . Cummings actions * I’ve made no comment on nor have I offered any opinion , so I can only assume you were looking forward to me saying nothing As we are going down this route , it’s The echo chamber that isn’t failing to disappoint, I could have predicted most responses without even needing to come into the thread edit - actually I did make a comment about his press conference so I’ve added the word “actions” Edited May 26, 2020 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I’ll be honest, I’d expected Kinnock to be in there. Grealish blindsided me. Ha.... I went off script , thats what happens when you don’t do twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I’ve not made a comment on this “farce” I made a comment on the inconsistency of a poster writing to his MP when seemingly he hasn’t had any urge to write to anyone else about other people’s actions during lockdown . Cummings I’ve made no comment on nor have I offered any opinion , so I can only assume you were looking forward to me saying nothing As we are going down this route , it’s The echo chamber that isn’t failing to disappoint, I could have predicted most responses without even needing to come into the thread So what should I have done? Wait for years and hope Cairns knocks on my door asking for my vote? I genuinely don’t see what you can think is wrong with someone trying to communicate with their local MP on something that impacts me that he has a potential influence on. I get what you say about echo chamber, but seriously, rather than bang on about it in here all day then actually do nothing in real life, I’ve written to my MP. Do you really think I was wrong to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, tonyh29 said: Ha.... I went off script , thats what happens when you don’t do twitter You’ll have to believe me on my twitter, it’s a fairly mixed bag, not 100% echo chamber. I follow people from all parties, from Gwlad, The WNP, Plaid, Labour, Greens and yes even tories. I follow friends from the football that supported Brexit and a local right wing gay blogger. I follow a disabled equal opportunities tory campaigner. I find those alternative takes fascinating. But mostly its historians, record shops, satellites, geology and gravestones. I don’t do facebook. I’m really not getting a social media bubble from twitter. It’s usually Mark Drakeford getting the kicking on there, Cummings has knocked him off top spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I’ve not made a comment on this “farce” I made a comment on the inconsistency of a poster writing to his MP when seemingly he hasn’t had any urge to write to anyone else about other people’s actions during lockdown . Cummings I’ve made no comment on nor have I offered any opinion , so I can only assume you were looking forward to me saying nothing As we are going down this route , it’s The echo chamber that isn’t failing to disappoint, I could have predicted most responses without even needing to come into the thread Actually you did. You made a comment insinuating it had become a bit like a Little Britain sketch that was a pisstake of farcical excuses. You did also comment on Cummings when posting the video. Also, I think you've made your thoughts on unelected bureaucrats quite clear over the past few years. Complain about the echo chamber all you want, I don't go in Facebook groups to complain that most people there don't agree with my political views. If I were to transparently attempt to wind people up I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone were to defend their views. Edited May 27, 2020 by blandy mod edit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, snowychap said: Was Grealish devising the government's public health policy? Was Kinnock? Tbf , It might have been better had Grealish been devising it ... i get they have different positions in society , I kinda acknowledged that in my original post , it’s just this essentially hounding people out of jobs kind of bandwagon because that pisses me off ... he misread a situation and made an error of judgement ,lots of people do , should we demand every one that does this be sacked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: You’ll have to believe me on my twitter, it’s a fairly mixed bag, not 100% echo chamber. I follow people from all parties, from Gwlad, The WNP, Plaid, Labour, Greens and yes even tories. I follow friends from the football that supported Brexit and a local right wing gay blogger. I follow a disabled equal opportunities tory campaigner. I find those alternative takes fascinating. But mostly its historians, record shops, satellites, geology and gravestones. I don’t do facebook. I’m really not getting a social media bubble from twitter. It’s usually Mark Drakeford getting the kicking on there, Cummings has knocked him off top spot. To clarify , The echo chamber comment was really aimed at in here (bolitics threads ) generally , rather than at any individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: To clarify , The echo chamber comment was really aimed at in here (bolitics threads ) generally , rather than at any individual But you don’t think I should have contacted my local MP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: So what should I have done? Wait for years and hope Cairns knocks on my door asking for my vote? I genuinely don’t see what you can think is wrong with someone trying to communicate with their local MP on something that impacts me that he has a potential influence on. I get what you say about echo chamber, but seriously, rather than bang on about it in here all day then actually do nothing in real life, I’ve written to my MP. Do you really think I was wrong to do so? No , if it’s something you feel strongly about then you are free to do as exactly as you did , irrespective of my views on the matter .... I’m a laid back sorta guy , I’m not one for waving placards , writing to my MP or vandalising McDonalds in the name of my political convictions ... I just kinda think though if you felt that strongly about Cummings actions ( rather than Cummings perhaps ) that it would have been more consistent to write to whoever , about every act of transgression Edited May 26, 2020 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannedfromHandV Posted May 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Tbf , It might have been better had Grealish been devising it ... i get they have different positions in society , I kinda acknowledged that in my original post , it’s just this essentially hounding people out of jobs kind of bandwagon because that pisses me off ... he misread a situation and made an error of judgement ,lots of people do , should we demand every one that does this be sacked ? See this is what people aren’t getting, in my opinion at least. I can accept what he did because honestly I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t, although I will add that as someone who devised the restrictions and who should be leading by example there is an additional moral/ethical responsibility. What I, and I think the majority of people are fed up with in this form of politics is the blatant, unrepentant and absolutely obvious lying. If he just came out and said you know what guys, yeah I messed up a bit, I made an error in judgement and should have been more considerate, I apologise to everyone - that’s human, people can get on board with that, most of us if not all of us have dropped the ball at some point. But to sit there, emotionless and steadfast in a belief that what he did was absolutely correct is a kick in the balls for every single person in this country, irrespective of political beliefs and party colours. And it goes beyond that doesn’t it, let’s face it this is a culmination of lies embodied in the person most people consider to be probably the most powerful person within the government right now (despite not formally being in the government). We’ve sat and listened to lie upon lie from this serving shambles of an authority since they came to power, and even before then. PPE bullshit, whether on current stock or purchases and then the audacity to blame medical professionals for not using it correctly or efficiently enough. Total finger in the air calculations on infections, deaths and not even recording or bothering to try to record a huge amount within communities and care homes, at least not until those figures began adding up to less than 1000 per day. The whole testing farce, changing wording from ‘people tested’ to ‘tests conducted’ in order to magically hit their 100,000 target. This government is lying to everyone every single day in order to curry favour and it’s tragic that it’s all some people seem to require. Errors and mistakes, yep, they happen. Lying about it constantly is a crime against this entire country. Edited May 26, 2020 by bannedfromHandV 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I do feel strongly about Cummings actions. I feel more strongly about the blatant disregard for his own rules. the man attends SAGE meetings and advises the Prime Minister and is lying about his open actions during a pandemic. He is central to this and we are being taken for fools. So I’ve expressed an opinion to my local tory MP, he should have a direct line to tory Westminster on this, if there is any democracy at play here. It’s literally life and death, my parents live at a tourist resort, tourists park outside their house to walk to the beach. My friends’ businesses have gone under and they are looking for jobs. I’m genuinely angry somebody that is central to the policy has utterly undermined it. I don’t know what the placard and McDonald’s stuff is about, I guess it’s kind of Grealish related. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: it would have been more consistent to write to whoever , about every act of transgression I would say that's just silly but it's a particular tactic used to undermine any action that someone takes. If they didn't do it on each and every occasion then doing it on one occasion (even allowing for slightly or totally different circumstances) is being inconsistent and therefore open to criticism. It is, obviously, impossible for an individual to write to whoever about every act of transgression (whether or not they are comparable which, in this case, they aren't) even allowing for the deployment of infinite monkeys over an infinite time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjmooney Posted May 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2020 I think Murdoch & co have decided to remind Boris who's really boss. They may engineer his demise as leader. But you can bet that in four years' time they'll be back right behind a Tory election campaign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 A major difference to note between Kinnock, Grealish and Cummings (that’s a weird sentence) is the former two accepted they messed up and apologised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I think Murdoch & co have decided to remind Boris who's really boss. They may engineer his demise as leader. But you can bet that in four years' time they'll be back right behind a Tory election campaign. The Tories usually find a way to get rid of a liability sooner or later. Generally sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The Tories usually find a way to get rid of a liability sooner or later. Generally sooner. Indeed. Let's face it, hardly any of their MPs wanted him as leader, it was the rank and file gammons who put him there (uncannily similar to what happened with Labour and Corbyn). I suspect he's a dead man walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Indeed. Let's face it, hardly any of their MPs wanted him as leader, it was the rank and file gammons who put him there (uncannily similar to what happened with Labour and Corbyn). I suspect he's a dead man walking. Hang on, that's not quite right. Johnson won by far the largest number of nominating MP's in the leadership contest *and* won big amongst the membership. Corbyn only won the members. Johnson was a hugely popular pick with the majority of the party (which was how he was able to sell a Brexit deal that was actually worse for the party than May's - because they trusted and liked him, and they didn't her). On the latter point, you may be right, or he may just have sustained a lot of damage. My guess is that even if he is going to be replaced before the next election, the Tories will wait until the Brexit process is clearly finished (so his successor can blame him for any failures). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Indeed. Let's face it, hardly any of their MPs wanted him as leader, it was the rank and file gammons who put him there (uncannily similar to what happened with Labour and Corbyn). I suspect he's a dead man walking. As I understand it , The early rounds are voted for by sitting Tory MP’s only until only 2 remain. The rank and file as you refer to them only get a say in the last round ( for the record Johnson got two thirds of the votes here ) , so yes of course they put him there , that’s the way their leadership works .. I don’t believe it to be similar to the Labour leader election process but I’m happy to be corrected as it’s not something I know much /anything about ( from memory Corbyn won across the board members and supporters ) to the “hardly any MP’s wanted him “ line ...looking at the early rounds , Johnson won 114 votes in round one , the second candidate received 43 , Johnson received almost as many votes as the 2nd to 4th place candidates combined and his vote then increased in every round as people dropped out ending with over 50% in the final round for comparison in 2005 Cameron received 28% of MP votes in round one with 4 candidates , Johnson received 36 % of the vote with 10 contenders so , i don’t think it’s true to really to say “hardly any” of their MP’s wanted him edit - seems I took to long on my research and got beaten to it ... D’oh Edited May 26, 2020 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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