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At least with May, Gove, Hammond & to some degree Osborne, you know what you're getting: words removed.

With Cameron, he pretends to be something he isn't: not a word removed, when he is.

I'd take words removed that accept being words removed over words removed that pretend they aren't words removed.

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that speech was outrageous, even a Daily Mail columnist on BBC 24 said it was a thoroughly demeaning slur, it was outright gross misrepresentation of quotes to libel Corbyn like that. We are in full on American politics mode now, surprised he didn't call him a pinko communist as well.

britain hating if you don't support the queen, you hardly have to be radical to suggest that saying having a pro-republican opinion equates to hating britain is right out of the book "right, we're in full on sod anyone who doesn't vote for us, it's 100% play to the crowd with zealotry bells on"

It just demonstrates a fault line British politics as regards the belief as to whether the country is temperate by nature, or temperate by constitution.

It is probably both but the left tend to think the former and the right think the latter.

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still not actually heard it but it seems beyond the Corbyn rhetoric it went down well with this Labour supporter

David Cameron has just become the leader of the British Left ........ I expected David Cameron to attempt to park his tank on Labour’s lawn. Instead he parked the tank, got out, calmly walked up the path, and hung a “Closed” sign on the front door. Assuming the Prime Minister means what he says – quite a big assumption admittedly – Jeremy Corbyn and his shadow cabinet needn’t bother turning up to the House of Commons next week. Or any other week for the next 20 years or so.

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I do wish people would stop with this calumny against Mr Hodges. :)

Edit: You say 'the Corbyn rhetoric went down well' with him and yet it would appear that he doesn't reference the 'britain-hating' stuff in that piece of his unless I've missed it (and I did just scan through so I may have done). The things that appear to have 'gone down well' are the rhetoric that Mr Hodges has swallowed as policy. Whilst acknowledging May's earlier speech (greatly criticized elsewhere in the Torygraph), he also appears to have ignored the rest of the Tory conference and fallen for the speech of a smarmy, shallow leader (no surprise there knowing Mr Hodges's history) and taken that as where the Tory party is positioning itself. Hodges is the worst kind of 'political commentator' - a cuckoo indeed.

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I do wish people would stop with this calumny against Mr Hodges. :)

tbf his own bio states "Dan Hodges is a former Labour Party and GMB trade union official, and has managed numerous independent political campaigns. He writes about Labour with tribal loyalty and without reservation"

 

so by most definitions I think he would be viewed as a Labour supporter  :)

 

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tbf his own bio states "Dan Hodges is a former Labour Party and GMB trade union official, and has managed numerous independent political campaigns. He writes about Labour with tribal loyalty and without reservation"

He doesn't state to which tribe he shows loyalty. ;)

I fear that it's 'the tribe of Mr Hodges' or 'whomever it is most expedient to support at that moment and until the wind changes direction'.

 

As explained in the edit above (and as in responses to your previous quoting of Mr Hodges as an authoratitive opinion on Labour/left matters). Mr Hodges isn't worth listening to/reading.

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Is Cameron really just a nice guy who is a bit dim?

or is he a clever calculating guy pretending to be a bit dim?

 

I'm weirdly warming to him, he always looks so gormless and confused nowadays.  :)

 

 

 

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if you don't think like us then you are anti british

very dangerous ground

But Sir, may I remind you that for those who wish to conserve those things which secured this sceptred isle in times of peril, and which held fast the union as it stood alone against the dark shadow of Nazi tyranny, and those who know the history of their nation, which uniquely amongst the major states of Europe, avoided the bloody chaos of revolution or the murderous oppression of fascism, such changes which Corbyn has for a lifetime fanatically dreamed of, represent a clear and present danger.

For those, to squander such a heritage in pursuit of some experiment in socialism would be both a tragedy and a sacrilege. 

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I do wish people would stop with this calumny against Mr Hodges. :)

Edit: You say 'the Corbyn rhetoric went down well' with him and yet it would appear that he doesn't reference the 'britain-hating' stuff in that piece of his unless I've missed it (and I did just scan through so I may have done). The things that appear to have 'gone down well' are the rhetoric that Mr Hodges has swallowed as policy. Whilst acknowledging May's earlier speech (greatly criticized elsewhere in the Torygraph), he also appears to have ignored the rest of the Tory conference and fallen for the speech of a smarmy, shallow leader (no surprise there knowing Mr Hodges's history) and taken that as where the Tory party is positioning itself. Hodges is the worst kind of 'political commentator' - a cuckoo indeed.

I missed your Edit but

I said Beyond the Corbyn rhetoric so I thought I was excluding the personal attack from the discussion  , as Hodges also appears to have done as you correctly point out

in regards to quoting Mr Hodges (or indeed anyone else for that matter)  I thought the rule was if they agreed with the point trying to be made they were credible and if they didn't agree they were mad , bad and dangerous  .. thus Hodges in this instance is worth listening to :P

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I missed your Edit but

I said Beyond the Corbyn rhetoric so I thought I was excluding the personal attack from the discussion  , as Hodges also appears to have done as you correctly point out

So you did. Muchos apologios. :blush:

Edit: The other stuff about Hodges and his piece still stand, though. :)

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David Willetts was in the Times yesterday writing that 'when the reductions in tax credits start hitting purses and wallets next April there is real risk it could turn sour as some of those hard-working families politicians love realise they are heavy losers. Too many people will see their work incentives fall'  

So not all Tories see it the same way.

https://youtu.be/4eTmA8glsm4?t=1m57s

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I suggest you write to him and tell him to change his bio and then edit his wiki page whilst you're at it....

 

he may not be a fan of Corbyn , but he's not alone there amongst Labour supporters and he wasn't a fan of Ed , again he's not alone there amongst labour supporters , but to to say he isn't a labour supporter is like saying Hitler wasn't a National socialist

 

 

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I suggest you write to him and tell him to change his bio and then edit his wiki page whilst you're at it....

Sensible people wouldn't read or take notice of either. ;)

 

he may not be a fan of Corbyn , but he's not alone there amongst Labour supporters and he wasn't a fan of Ed , again he's not alone there amongst labour supporters , but to to say he isn't a labour supporter is like saying Hitler wasn't a National socialist

He wasn't a fan of Brown either (is he on record about Kinnock or Foot or Callaghan or Wilson or Attlee?).

I think he was only ever really a 'fan' of Blair. And now he's a 'fan' of Cameron. I think there's a parallel there and it tells us largely what we need to know about Mr Hodges and his politics.

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I suggest you write to him and tell him to change his bio and then edit his wiki page whilst you're at it....

Sensible people wouldn't read or take notice of either. ;)

 

he may not be a fan of Corbyn , but he's not alone there amongst Labour supporters and he wasn't a fan of Ed , again he's not alone there amongst labour supporters , but to to say he isn't a labour supporter is like saying Hitler wasn't a National socialist

He wasn't a fan of Brown either (is he on record about Kinnock or Foot or Callaghan or Wilson or Attlee?).

I think he was only ever really a 'fan' of Blair. And now he's a 'fan' of Cameron. I think there's a parallel there and it tells us largely what we need to know about Mr Hodges and his politics.

 

sounds like one of those Lord Adonis type characters 

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fair play to tory MP Priti Patel on QT tonight

her first answer to the first question - 'it was Labour's fault'

that's one 'on message' drone right there

she then went on (and I paraphrase) to basically say things have changed since my family arrived, we're now full 

 

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