chrisp65 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Tories come a very strong 8th place in Blaenau Gwent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Some comments on the radio this morning from Matthew Parris, former Tory MP, speaking about Draab. Basically says Johnson is morally unsuited to be leader of anything, he's a pathological liar, and a bag of wind, but he's better than Raab C. Brexit. Parris starts at 15.35, comments about Draab about 18.00. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000594v 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted May 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2019 On 25/05/2019 at 07:18, Demitri_C said: Cameron was not one of the worst we have had that's laughable. If we're being charitable, after last night we can now say that his aim of eliminating the threat to the Conservatives posed by UKIP has been a complete success. #winning 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) Michael Gove to pledge free UK citizenship for 3m EU nationals Quote Michael Gove will pledge free British citizenship for 3 million EU nationals after Brexit if he becomes prime minister, as well as abolishing the burden of providing proof of settled status, the Guardian understands. The environment secretary, one of the leading figures in Vote Leave, is understood to believe strongly that the pledge would honour the promises given to EU citizens by that campaign during the 2016 referendum. He has given his backing to a campaign by the Conservative party backbencher Alberto Costa, a leading champion of EU citizens’ rights, who said he had spent two months canvassing opinion from leadership candidates on the issue. “Michael Gove has fully agreed to adopt my proposals and he will publicly announce that it was wrong to put EU citizens on the negotiation table in the first place,” Costa told the Guardian. “But he will also go further and offer them British citizenship at no cost if he becomes prime minister. This is Michael’s way of saying to EU nationals: I’m sorry, the Vote Leave campaign was never about EU citizens’ rights. “He is unambiguously demonstrating that leaving the EU is not about moving the goalposts of citizens’ rights and accordingly, he has my full support as a candidate for the premiership.” Gove’s pledge, which he will announce on Tuesday, will offer British citizenship to those who wish to take it up, without cost, if EU citizens were present in the UK before the referendum, potentially saving them up to £1,000. Those who do not wish to apply for citizenship will still be granted settled status, which under the agreement with the EU would continue to apply to EU arrivals during the transition period. However, Gove will say that as prime minister EU citizens will not need to supply proof and there will be a presumption of their right to remain. This would bring UK into line with EU countries that merely require a migrant EU national to notify their town hall of their ID and address. ... more 'The Saj', according to that article will not be adopting the same position. Edited May 27, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, snowychap said: Michael Gove to pledge free UK citizenship for 3m EU nationals 'The Saj', according to that article will not be adopting the same position. Well congratulations to him for that, it's the right thing to do. It will gain him ZERO votes however, certainly less than zero among the members 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: certainly less than zero I'm not sure it's possible much less than certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm not sure it's possible much less than certain. Well it political terms I suppose I should phrase it differently. People will actively campaign against him at the grassroots level, It will have a negative effect (so less than zero being below the gain line if you like) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, snowychap said: Michael Gove to pledge free UK citizenship for 3m EU nationals 'The Saj', according to that article will not be adopting the same position. How long before he has to walk this idea back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: Well it political terms I suppose I should phrase it differently. People will actively campaign against him at the grassroots level, It will have a negative effect (so less than zero being below the gain line if you like) No, fair enough. Having re-read, I get what you mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: How long before he has to walk this idea back? It's Michael Gove. When his wife tells him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2019 He could, of course, be playing the long game to be the leader after the next one, or even the one after that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, bickster said: He could, of course, be playing the long game to be the leader after the next one, or even the one after that So sometime around March 2020 then? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: So sometime around March 2020 then? well I was thinking more June tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, bickster said: He could, of course, be playing the long game to be the leader after the next one, or even the one after that Sounds right to me. They will swim to the very bottom of the xenophobic, unprincipled playing-to-the-membership barrel, get utterly stuffed, and seek to reinvent themselves. He won't win this time, but will try to emerge smelling a bit less shitty than the rest of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 hours ago, bickster said: He could, of course, be playing the long game to be the leader after the next one, or even the one after that We don't even know what species he is so he could live for a few hundreds years more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Quote ACCIDENT-prone minister Chris Grayling’s transport department was sued for the third time in a month today as a trio of train giants launched legal action over his decision to bar them from the lucrative West Coast rail franchise. Richard Branson’s Virgin Trains, along with partners Stagecoach and France’s SNCF, filed a claim with the High Court, claiming the department crippled any chance of a competitive tendering process on that franchise. It comes just weeks after P&O sued the department over Grayling’s ferry fiasco and Arriva and Stagecoach launched actions over the East Midlands franchise. The train operators are heading to court because Grayling had insisted new rail bidders take on billions of pounds in potential pension liabilities, disqualifying those who did not comply. Standard More public money down the pan. Obviously the govt will be sued a lot more if they continue to empower private interests against public interests. That's what the Yanks have in mind post Brexit with their trade deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Whoever wins the leadership election should have to take on Snow as their last name as they will inevitably be an illegitimate, know nothing, bastard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The state of the candidates that I think Gove is a reasonable option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Looking forward to most of the Summer off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 28, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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