The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[mockingbird_franklin]

15 hours ago, Xann said:

Privatisation fails again.

Only if you don't understand what the reason for privatisation is aginst what we are told it is.

We are told it is to save money by exposing services to the "free market" 

What it is really about giving large amounts of 'easy' public money to private companies or allowing them to control and profit from monopolies.

In the real terms privatisation has been the roaring success it was intended to be.

Edited January 9, 2016 by mockingbird_franklin

[Xann]

I'm talking front end service and accountiblity, not profit for the suits.

Don't consider them 'in it together'.

[snowychap]

I see that Cameron has been 'pre-announcing' stuff about regeneration of sink estates.

The details of that will be interesting (though we'll have to wait until the Autumn statement for the panel to return with their proposals, I think). Having read snippets and seen the clip of Cameron on Marr, I fear that it's mostly just another ruse to attack the housing stock available in the social sector.

BBC link

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There should be both affordable housing for rent and to buy, Mr Cameron said, but "a shift towards more affordable housing to buy" was needed.

Cameron's article in the Sunday Times

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A raft of pointless planning rules, local politics and tenants’ concerns about whether regeneration would be done fairly all prevented progress. And if we’re honest, there often just wasn’t the political will and momentum in government to cut through all of this to get things done.

...we’ll publish an Estates Regeneration Strategy that will sweep away the planning blockages and take new steps to reduce political and reputational risk for projects’ key decision-makers and investors.

Improve estates? Sure. But I'll be bloody surprised if there are not significantly fewer homes for social rent in these areas after the generation and I wonder how many7 of those living in the areas currently will get the chance to access the regenerated areas. In the link from above, it does say:

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The panel will also establish a set of binding guarantees for tenants and homeowners so that they are protected.

However, what that will amount to is anyone's guess. It won't help if the guarantee is just to be rehoused (that could well be in a very different area), it won't help if the guarantee means that in order to remain in those areas people will have to pay significantly increased rents (social up to affordable) and it won't help any owners if their housing isn't replaced like for like in the same area (i.e. 2 bed for 2 bed). That's before one gets on to how binding any guarantee from a government or a quango may be.

Edited January 10, 2016 by snowychap

[Xann]

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I have just finished a week of med reg oncall where I have worked nearly 100 hours in seven days. Now before people question my rota, it is partly my fault for swapping out of Christmas weekend and into New Year, but unsurprisingly I wanted to spend my son's first Christmas at home, not at work.

This week has been a killer:

I have started multiple people on NIV often with a lack of appropriate beds for the patients to go into, meaning I have stayed with the patient to help ward nurses unfamiliar with NIV use the machine; they didn't grumble once because it was the treatment the patient needed. 

I have lost count of the number of relatives I have had to break bad news to and the screams of the daughter of the patient who did not survive his unexpected cardiac arrest still haunt me. 

I have held a patient's hand in resus when he was anxious because he asked me not to leave him; I was relieved by a HCA who was more than willing to take over from me without moaning despite her having other jobs to do - the patient was the priority. 

I comforted my F1 after they left 4 hours late and in tears. They had not wanted to hand over their jobs as they wanted to ensure they were done and knew their colleague was busy

I witnessed the amazing work of our nursing colleagues who went above and beyond their role to care for their patients when the volume of patients and jobs seemed like it was completely unrelenting. 

I spoke to duty nurse managers doing everything they could to put patients in beds whilst patients breached on trolleys in ED for hours.

I saw doctors, nurses, HCAs and others struggling to find time for a few minutes break as their priority was managing the tsunami of patients coming through the front doors. 

I saw consultants coming in an hour early and leave close to midnight to ensure patients were reviewed and ensure those that could go home were able to be discharged. 

I have worked an extra 8 hours unpaid (the equivalent of a whole day of work for free) to catch up with dictation and to complete the paperwork in the bereavement office to ensure the relatives of those patients we could not save did not experience needless delays.

I am emotionally and physically exhausted. 

I have been dangerously tired on my 45 minute drive home from work.

I went three days without seeing my children as I was working to treat other people's loved ones. 

Then after the most gruelling of weeks I had the sad news that my grandad passed away today. He had been in hospital and was only discharged yesterday. 

Rather ironically we had both spent the last week of his life in hospital. He spoke highly of the caring and wonderful NHS staff at the hospital he had been in three times (Wythenshawe Hospital). From the staff in the ED to all those working on the respiratory ward. I never got to say goodbye but I will be forever thankful to the night nurse practitioner who I spoke to after finishing my long day on Sunday. She was helping on the respiratory ward as they too were ridiculously busy; despite the workload she still found the time to speak to my grandad and pass him a message - the last thing I would say to him.

This week has really hit home what wonderful staff and people we have in the NHS. People working under immense stress and forever limited resources. Let down by consecutive governments who seem interested only in ensuring the benefit of a few at the expense of frontline workers and patients. Who seem hellbent on tearing apart a national treasure and selling off it's parts to private companies whose only priority are profits. Who have insulted doctors for lacking vocation and called us "militant". Who have cut nursing bursaries at a time where we are crying out for more nursing staff. Who want to impose an unsafe and unfair contact on junior doctors which could make weeks like I have described above commonplace. The current government is intent on using mainstream media and political spin to smear doctors, misquoting flawed research to push through supposed "manifesto pledges" and mislead the public. 

Politicians and quangos are failing to understand what the NHS is about and the people working within it; the amazing staff I have come across who do not care about profits, or money, or the bettering of ones career to obtain irrelevant titles. Their one priority is the patient in front of them. This is what the NHS is all about: caring for patients whatever their background, whatever their illness, whatever their status in society, whatever their income. Free for all at the point of use. This is what is worth fighting for; for me this is what is worth striking for. This dispute is more than the junior doctors contract. This is about saving our NHS. We are your NHS. We want to keep it that way; I think my grandad would too.

 

 Registrar Tom Livingston - Facebook

[Xann]

One thing after the next with these arsewipes.

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Conservative MPs have voted to reject a proposed rule that would have required private landlords to make their homes “fit for human habitation”.The vote, which came on Tuesday night, was on proposed amendment to the Government’s new Housing and Planning Bill – a raft of new laws aimed at reforming housing law.

The Labour-proposed amendment was rejected by 312 votes to 219, however. 

Landlord Tory MP opposes law to make homes fit for human habitation. According to Parliament’s register of interests, 72 of the MPs who voted against the amendment are themselves landlords who derive an income from a property.

 

Independent

[Xann]

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“This race to the bottom will erode quality of care and kill, or harm patients”

 A privatised system diverts money away from patient care. Incentives to deny care will damage the trust and confidence between doctors and patients. Unsafe, low quality care will be delivered and the cheapest staff will be employed. This burdens medics with risk to patients and themselves. Privatisation leads to corporate pressure to conform and collude with fraud, covering up patient harm. 

“We are living in the greatest betrayal of public interest”

 

Another experienced healthcare professional - Realmedia

Tories and chums exploiting the PFI mistakes of the previous Labour administration.

We're being robbed blind, then we're turned over for oh-so-easy megabucks for the suits.

These days I prefer the immigrants to the Tory voters.

[snowychap]

I don't normally mind Portillo, even when I often fail to agree with him, but the crap that he has come out with about 'professionals' don't come out on strike and that because junior doctors have means they are not professional is shoddy. It's the kind of stuff that would have made Thatch proud.

[snowychap]

Usual stuff about SIs: Student maintenance grants are going to be abolished by way of an SI - which means no vote by the HoC but, as helpfully pointed out by that utter git Grayling, a debate in committee (which merely requires nodding dogs to say the issue has been considered).

That'll be your democracy working for ya.

[tonyh29]

They get £8200 and start to pay it back once they earn £21k

seems reasonable to me 

 

mabe be they could extend the scheme to working people on low incomes instead of those people having to resort to wonga and their immoral rates ?

 

 

[snowychap]

2 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

They get £8200 and start to pay it back once they earn £21k

seems reasonable to me

What's that got to do with student maintenance grants being binned via Statutory Instrument?

[tonyh29]

16 minutes ago, snowychap said:

What's that got to do with student maintenance grants being binned via Statutory Instrument?

 seeing as the £8200 payment is what the student maintenance grants are being replaced with I'd have thought it was obvious .....  but from your response I take it you weren't interested in what the grant was sensibly being replaced with  and were more concerned  at the (perceived ) underhand way it was being brought about ...

 

 

 

 

[meregreen]

We are rapidly going backwards under the Tories. They really don't give a toss about ordinary people. Sad.

Edited January 15, 2016 by meregreen

[snowychap]

@tonyh29

My original post said:

9 hours ago, snowychap said:

Usual stuff about SIs: Student maintenance grants are going to be abolished by way of an SI - which means no vote by the HoC but, as helpfully pointed out by that utter git Grayling, a debate in committee (which merely requires nodding dogs to say the issue has been considered).

That'll be your democracy working for ya.

Try reading the post I made and have a punt at what I was posting about.

 

 

[tonyh29]

2 hours ago, snowychap said:

@tonyh29

My original post said:

Try reading the post I made and have a punt at what I was posting about.

 

 

sigh

I've a better idea but you'll probably be offended by it

 

 

 

[tonyh29]

2 hours ago, meregreen said:

We are rapidly going backwards under the Tories. They really don't give a toss about ordinary people. Sad.

Is this like my Nan saying things ain't what they used to be in the good old days or do you have a particular reference point in mind of where we are going backwards from ?

and who are "ordinary people" ?  , people with 2 arms and 2 legs , hard working decent honest nurses / teachers or  just anyone who didn't vote Tory ?

 

 

[meregreen]

3 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

Is this like my Nan saying things ain't what they used to be in the good old days or do you have a particular reference point in mind of where we are going backwards from ?

and who are "ordinary people" ?  , people with 2 arms and 2 legs , hard working decent honest nurses / teachers or  just anyone who didn't vote Tory ?

 

 

Workers rights are being eroded, the Welfare State is under attack,public assets are being flogged off cheap to Tory sympathizing hedge funds,affordable rented accomodation is fast disappearing as private landlords take more and more housing stock,the greatest institution of all, the NHS is covertly being readied for handing over to Tory supporting medical insurance companies,planning rules are being eased ,schools are being removed from accountability to local elected people,all of this is retrogade in its concept.Now we have a return to the rotten boroughs, where constituencies do nottruly reflect their populations, only their registered voters, guess which party that favours. Ordinary people are all around us, and yes they include teachers and nurses, factory workers, shop workers and a multitude of other professions, they also include the unemployed, sick and disabled. The Tories don;t give a damn about any of them.

[tonyh29]

56 minutes ago, meregreen said:

Workers rights are being eroded, the Welfare State is under attack,public assets are being flogged off cheap to Tory sympathizing hedge funds,affordable rented accomodation is fast disappearing as private landlords take more and more housing stock,the greatest institution of all, the NHS is covertly being readied for handing over to Tory supporting medical insurance companies,planning rules are being eased ,schools are being removed from accountability to local elected people,all of this is retrogade in its concept.Now we have a return to the rotten boroughs, where constituencies do nottruly reflect their populations, only their registered voters, guess which party that favours. Ordinary people are all around us, and yes they include teachers and nurses, factory workers, shop workers and a multitude of other professions, they also include the unemployed, sick and disabled. The Tories don;t give a damn about any of them.

well  , at least you are being open minded about it all   .......

[KHV]

7 hours ago, meregreen said:

We are rapidly going backwards under the Tories. They really don't give a toss about ordinary people. Sad.

what are "ordinary people" ??

[Davkaus]

So I see that Jeremy Hunt is already talking about ignoring the strikes, and using the 'nuclear option' of telling the doctors to **** off, and imposing the new contract no matter what they say.

So much for the doctors being the ones refusing to negotiate, eh? It's no wonder that "word removed" is a synonym for the most offensive name in the English language.

[Wainy316]

If I was a doctor I'd just take my skills to Australia.