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May is a callous, untrustworthy, spineless **** toad and the Conservative party, on the whole, aren't much better.

It's naive in the extreme to think any "plea for contribution" is a legitimate one.

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Now now, its just that the Conservative Party has legitimate and Very Real Concerns that they've **** It.

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Lovely bunch aren't they?

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A Tory Brexiteer has described the UK leaving the EU without a deal as a “real n*****r in the woodpile” at a meeting of eurosceptics in Central London.

Anne Marie Morris, MP for Newton Abbott since 2010, made the astonishing remark while discussing what financial services deal the UK could struck with Brussels after 2019.

Despite using the racist term, none of her fellow panelists, including Tory MPs Bill Cash and John Redwood, reacted. 

After saying just 7% of financial services in the UK would be affected by Brexit, Morris said: “Now I’m sure there will be many people who’ll challenge that, but my response and my request is look at the detail, it isn’t all doom and gloom.

“Now we get to the real n****r in the woodpile which is in two years what happens if there is no deal?”

 

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26 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Another one bites the dust. However racism, and in particular anti-antisemitism, isn't only applicable to the tory party. Remember Ken Livingstone, Naz Shah, Diane Abbott (black women are better than white women) etc? If your "they" means all politicians, then yes I agree with you. If "they", is your attempt to brand all tory politicians as racists due to one idiotic bigot's statement then I don't.

This lady will be out of the party within one week. Naz Shah is still part of the labour party after wanting to deport all jews to America, comparing Israel to Hitler's Germany and saying that deporting the jews to the US will "save them some pocket money". Labour have problems with racism that goes the other way to tory's racism - it's racism nonetheless and both parties have some pretty awful people in their midst. 

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Her husband recently claimed education problems were caused by immigrants having high birth rates as well.

All a tragic slip of the tongue and not indicative of really nasty views of course.

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12 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Another one bites the dust. However racism, and in particular anti-antisemitism, isn't only applicable to the tory party. Remember Ken Livingstone, Naz Shah, Diane Abbott (black women are better than white women) etc? If your "they" means all politicians, then yes I agree with you. If "they", is your attempt to brand all tory politicians as racists due to one idiotic bigot's statement then I don't.

This lady will be out of the party within one week. Naz Shah is still part of the labour party after wanting to deport all jews to America, comparing Israel to Hitler's Germany and saying that deporting the jews to the US will "save them some pocket money". Labour have problems with racism that goes the other way to tory's racism - it's racism nonetheless and both parties have some pretty awful people in their midst. 

Look! Over there!

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8 minutes ago, darrenm said:

Look! Over there!

No such thing was said. Anne Marie Morris will be out of the conservative party within the week just like that other bigot they threw out during Eurovision who had an anti Roma rant and Rosemary Carrol that got removed the other day. Ken Livingstone got a temporary ban from standing for any seats for one year for a whole string of antisemitic incidents and views. Naz Shah was taken out of office for under a year for being a blatant racist several times over.

The difference here is that labour lets its racists fester for longer before getting rid of them. If Naz Shah was part of the Tory party she'd be at the work centre right now. For a party that has, or had, anti racism at its heart labour has a clear double standard when it comes to members who are racists against someone that isn't a minority.

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18 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

comparing Israel to Hitler's Germany 

 

Failing to see how that's racist or even a problem.

Jews - not a race

Israel - not a race

Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is very much ripping a leaf out of the Hitler Handbook of Despotism

Just because the Zionist lobby is well funded doesn't make Israel a great nation and comparing it to Hitlers Germany is not racist. Such is the power of the Zionist lobby they've even managed to appropriate the term anti-semitic to mean anti-Jew and get it in everyone's minds that being Jewish is something that is genetic, it isn't, like every other religion on this planet, following a religion, is a lifestyle choice.

Even you seem to have fallen for the propaganda of the Zionist Lobby. 

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10 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

 and Rosemary Carrol that got removed the other day. 

 

Still, a Tory last time I checked (approx 30 secs ago)

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Just can't catch a break eh Theresa? Start building a narrative about 'ultra-left radicals' abusing everyone online and start linking them with Corbyn and Labour and then one of your own accidentally lets the mask slip for a minute and you're back to square one. Same problem with the Corbyn is a terrorist supporter narrative - an actual IRA ex-member was discovered as a Tory councillor and then Tories went full sympathiser with the DUP. They're running out of things to throw at Labour that they don't then go and **** up even worse themselves. I assume it'll be back to Diane Abbott's numbers next week for the slow of wit to parrot. 

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40 minutes ago, bickster said:

Failing to see how that's racist or even a problem.

Jews - not a race

Israel - not a race

Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is very much ripping a leaf out of the Hitler Handbook of Despotism

Just because the Zionist lobby is well funded doesn't make Israel a great nation and comparing it to Hitlers Germany is not racist. Such is the power of the Zionist lobby they've even managed to appropriate the term anti-semitic to mean anti-Jew and get it in everyone's minds that being Jewish is something that is genetic, it isn't, like every other religion on this planet, following a religion, is a lifestyle choice.

Even you seem to have fallen for the propaganda of the Zionist Lobby. 

I don't think much of your thesis but I won't disagree because it will be more interesting to see if anyone with Leftist sympathies will object to your characterisation of the Jewish problem.B)

 

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comparing Israel to Hitler's Germany

 

On 7/10/2017 at 16:19, bickster said:

Failing to see how that's racist or even a problem.

Jews - not a race

Israel - not a race

Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is very much ripping a leaf out of the Hitler Handbook of Despotism

It's not racist, but equating them is a bit of a problem, I think, because the comparison is out of kilter with reality. Israel is a democracy, not a dictatorship. Nazi Germany pretty much wanted to eliminate, or at least considered inferior anyone who wasn't Aryan, or was disabled and so on and murdered millions in the holocaust. They Nazis set themselves up as superior beings and sort of aimed for or desired global omnipotence.

For all it's many horrors Israel is not remotely on the same scale. The Israeli Gov't has done and continues to behave utterly disgracefully and has committed some awful atrocities...but it's still not like Hitler's Germany.

And another massive difference is Israel's approach to people who are jewish of any colour or ethnicity and so on - they're all welcome into Israel. Israel's treatment of Palestine and Palestinians is a complete disgrace, but still...

 

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No extra pay rise for teachers as Theresa May approves 1 per cent hike despite calls to end the cap

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Teachers' pay will remain capped at 1 per cent, the Department for Education has announced, as the Government sticks to public sector wage restraint.

It follows weeks of wrangling over whether public sector workers should be given a pay increase above the 1 per cent cap imposed by the previous Conservative Government. 

Ministers have accepted the recommendation of the School Teachers' Review Body (STRB), which said there should be a 1 per cent increase for all pay ranges.

The body is independent but works to a remit set out by the Treasury.

...more on link

 

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4 minutes ago, blandy said:

Failing to see how that's racist or even a problem.

It's not racist, but equating them is a bit of a problem, I think, because the comparison is out of kilter with reality. Israel is a democracy, not a dictatorship. Nazi Germany pretty much wanted to eliminate, or at least considered inferior anyone who wasn't Aryan, or was disabled and so on and murdered millions in the holocaust. They Nazis set themselves up as superior beings and sort of aimed for or desired global omnipotence.

For all it's many horrors Israel is not remotely on the same scale. The Israeli Gov't has done and continues to behave utterly disgracefully and has committed some awful atrocities...but it's still not like Hitler's Germany.

And another massive difference is Israel's approach to people who are jewish of any colour or ethnicity and so on - they're all welcome into Israel. Israel's treatment of Palestine and Palestinians is a complete disgrace, but still...

 

Sorry, Pete but I didn't say I equated Zionism with Nazism. Just that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians was pretty similar to some of the things Hitler did.

Stolen their land, ghettoised them, demonised them...

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49 minutes ago, bickster said:

Israel's treatment of the Palestinians...

Yeah, Israel has been utterly, despicably brutal towards the Palestinians, no arguments there. Sorry I misunderstood your point. Mine is that "comparing Israel to Hitler's Germany" (without qualification) is ludicrously OTT and that it is a problem because it's disproportionate. Absolutely nothing is genuinely of comparable horror.

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4 hours ago, bickster said:

Sorry, Pete but I didn't say I equated Zionism with Nazism. Just that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians was pretty similar to some of the things Hitler did.

Stolen their land, ghettoised them, demonised them...

Coming from a family where half of it is Jewish I'd love for you to qualify that. My grandfather came here out of a place where they burned people alive, shot people, hung people, tested on people and denied it afterwards. A place where they killed people on an industrial scale because of race and religion. He came here only to be greeted with "no Jews and Irish in this store" hanging on almost every corner. Compare a British elected MP saying "We should deport all Jews to America, that'll save them some pocket money too!" to someone saying the N word. Racism and apologetic attitudes to racism because it is done against a race that you don't see as oppressed is ridiculous. Naz Shah is an utter racist for her comments, it just didn't fit the colour range that labour qualify as racism. Put a tory MP in her boots and make them say "we should deport all west indies inhabitants of African descent back to Africa" and everyone would be up in arms.

I may not agree with what the Israel state is doing to Palestinians, however if Wales hurled rockets at Birmingham every other week England would also enforce laws of conflict. Labour has a huge problem with anti-antisemitism and what you've just said here goes to show just that. It's okay though, Jews have money right? They've got a state full of bankers that shoot people on sight, right? Many of the families in my mother's circles stopped voting for labour for just this reason - it's in to be racist to Jews in the labour party.

Israel is a state in a place where everyone is hostile to them because we put them there for feeling guilty about oppressing Jews since the 1500's. They are overly defensive and attack minded to threats because they've been invaded twice since the founding of their new nation - something no one who is currently alive in Britain has ever experienced.

When a labour supporter starts using the word that starts with Z you know that it's going to be murky waters ahead. Do you even know what Zionism is? You are confusing the actions of a democratically elected state to that of a sect of orthodox Jews. Just like Christianity has Mormons and other fruitcakes Jews have Zionists. To make this into a world spanning conspiracy theory is part of the problem of modern antisemitism. People think that the Jews own the world because a few people in Manhattan are rich - sorry to break it to you, 99% of us are just like you and we don't hoard money or sit in vaults counting money.

The fact that a British MP can get away with saying something as insensitive as comparing what a man who killed 6-12 million Jews did to what a state who is defending itself aggressively is doing exemplifies the problem to a huge extent. The last time I wore my kippah was when my granddad got buried - when we went to the funeral we passed by a Pakistani store where a man screamed "effin jews!" through the door of his off licence. The same man came to my parents' door two weeks later to canvas for labour. 

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I don't agree with Bicksters point or definition on racism. But you're asking him to qualify a statement, where the bit you've quoted does already appear to be a qualification.

I don't think there's a good argument on either side of the whole Israel thing. They've behaved despicably, as have the other team.

 

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2 hours ago, magnkarl said:

When a labour supporter starts using the word that starts with Z

Which labour supporter did that?

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