wazzap24 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If you are a Tory voter, it must be hard to get around today with a massive throb on. It's all their wet dreams come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Surely the only chance of getting these nutjobs out now is to unite behind the Labour party and its leader even if you think in some weird logic that you won't support the leader because he won't win. It doesn't take much to swing people in these instant gratification, fake, x-factor entertainment times. Labour can't support anything but the ref result with brexit, they'll lose either side. No-one cares about what Corbyn does in PMQ's because most papers just report it as a 'May victory' anyway, even when mostly it's just her reading out some crap joke and not answering any questions. Why not at least make an effort to turf that smug git out of no. 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, darrenm said: Why not at least make an effort to turf that smug git out of no. 10? I think you answered your own question Just now, darrenm said: Corbyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, darrenm said: Surely the only chance of getting these nutjobs out now is to unite behind the Labour party and its leader even if you think in some weird logic that you won't support the leader because he won't win. It doesn't take much to swing people in these instant gratification, fake, x-factor entertainment times. Labour can't support anything but the ref result with brexit, they'll lose either side. No-one cares about what Corbyn does in PMQ's because most papers just report it as a 'May victory' anyway, even when mostly it's just her reading out some crap joke and not answering any questions. Why not at least make an effort to turf that smug git out of no. 10? As per the other thread, vote tactically to get rid of the hollow shell of a person that's currently PM. Labour is an utter effing shambles, led by an incompetent dingbat. Insufficient people are going to "unite behind" labour because it's a fractured party, unfit to govern - it is undeserving of people uniting behind it. It's not united itself. Labour cannot and will not win. The best thing would be to get th cynical calling of an election to rebound on May, and for various LibDem, Green, Labour, SNP, Plaid and others to get a majority between them, but I can't see that happening. I suspect that the tories will get back in with a bigger majority and make a further mess of the country. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, blandy said: As per the other thread, vote tactically to get rid of the hollow shell of a person that's currently PM. Labour is an utter effing shambles, led by an incompetent dingbat. Insufficient people are going to "unite behind" labour because it's a fractured party, unfit to govern - it is undeserving of people uniting behind it. It's not united itself. Labour cannot and will not win. The best thing would be to get th cynical calling of an election to rebound on May, and for various LibDem, Green, Labour, SNP, Plaid and others to get a majority between them, but I can't see that happening. I suspect that the tories will get back in with a bigger majority and make a further mess of the country. While I disagree with the 2nd sentence, I thoroughly agree with the tactics. I was just looking at the spreadsheet myself. Seems a good way to go. I live in a massively safe Tory seat so my vote won't count for much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 just thinking about this tactical voting bit. I'm not sure it's necessarily the right thing to do. I could understand it if you thought it might be a close election and could possibly change a result. But this time around I can't see Labour getting close. So what if the Tories lead by 100 seats and it gets back to 98. I could see Labour pulling votes from ukip so maybe the result wouldn't be as bad as some think. Perhaps the worst thing that could happen for them would be that not only do they get comprehensively beaten but the tactical voting away from them could push them so low in the share of the vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, colhint said: just thinking about this tactical voting bit. I'm not sure it's necessarily the right thing to do. I could understand it if you thought it might be a close election and could possibly change a result. But this time around I can't see Labour getting close. So what if the Tories lead by 100 seats and it gets back to 98. I could see Labour pulling votes from ukip so maybe the result wouldn't be as bad as some think. Perhaps the worst thing that could happen for them would be that not only do they get comprehensively beaten but the tactical voting away from them could push them so low in the share of the vote Yeah, I understand that. Thing is though, no one knows as a fact which person will win in each individual seat - it might end up like you say, with 100 extra tories, or 98. But as an individual voter, me, I don't like the tories, All i can do is one of 4 things a: stay at home b: go and spoil my ballot c: vote for the party I most like d: vote for the party most likely to beat the tories where I live. Only d is likely to potentially, make the remotest difference. And if I decided to stay at home, and instead of the 100 extra tories it turned out there were only a handful, then my vote just conceivably might have mattered, if I'd bothered. note. It won't matter, I live in a safe tory seat that voted leave. Bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I guess there is no easy answer or right answer in your case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 You could always move to a marginal seat Pete. It's not like Blackpool is *that* nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 18, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, Risso said: You could always move to a marginal seat Pete. It's not like Blackpool is *that* nice! Why I oughta !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 From Gary Gibbon: Quote No 10 is saying there will be no TV debates cluttering up your screens in this election. Rather than go down the route of pretending they’re longing for such things to happen but the logistics might be tricky they’ve gone for a more open approach: forget it. Don’t expect many press conferences either or extended interviews. Theresa May is not a huge fan of these sorts of encounters and her team think they open up risks that don’t need to be taken. So the 2017 general election will make the 2015 one look like “access all areas” as far as the Tories are concerned. I hear the manifesto will probably be a slimmed down affair too. Mrs May didn’t think much of the 2015 effort with its 500 or so commitments. One minister said it was a “Christmas tree” of a document and “written without any thought to post-Brexit Britain.” But quite how much shape Mrs May wants to put on post -Brexit Britain at this stage is another matter. What will the immigration, agriculture or state aid sections of the manifesto look like? How much will Mrs May want to spell out ring-fencing or the end of ring-fencing for some departments? What will she want to say about the pensioner triple lock in an election in which differential generational turnout could be key? Theresa May’s team have had more time to ponder these things because they knew an early election was a possibility but it’s not clear how advanced the work is and whether it will be a manifesto more of themes than commitments. Obviously, we'll have to wait and see what the manifesto and the election campaign actually looks like but if we do get the kind of manifesto that Gibbon is talking about then that has to be seen in context with the 'Great Repeal Bill' and the white paper published the other week. It looks like the very real and very worrying possibility of 'strong' government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's polling season! Since we can be certain that 'Maggie' May isn't going to be deposed by Labour any time soon, if ever again as currently constituted, can you peer into your crystal ball / tea leaves / octopus tank and divine what will be her eventual downfall? a] betrayal by Tory Leavers b] betrayal by Tory Remainers c] putsch led by FTSE 500 Junta d] Trump Nuclear Winter® e] assassin's bullet f] old age g] boredom h] saline deficiency due to quantity of salt tears shed at lack of worlds to conquer i] chokes on crisps j] other (please specify) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 18, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2017 Reclaimed by hell for overstepping bounds. Intergalactic escape after her skin suit degrades too much to no longer hide her draconid form. Stake through the heart whilst sleeping in her coffin bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: ...what will be her eventual downfall? A and B. Never trust Tories (even if you are one). Edited April 18, 2017 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Not surprised that she's refusing to debate, she gets a new arsehole ripped in every PMQs. She's basically a **** sieve at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Not surprised that she's refusing to debate, she gets a new arsehole ripped in every PMQs. She's basically a **** sieve at this point. This. I can't believe the amount of people who say Corbyn doesn't hold her to account. If people actually watch them he demands answers but she refuses to give anything straight. She'll just make a crap joke about his suit or his popularity or something and dodge everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: This. I can't believe the amount of people who say Corbyn doesn't hold her to account. If people actually watch them he demands answers but she refuses to give anything straight. She'll just make a crap joke about his suit or his popularity or something and dodge everything. So in other words she "wins" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: So in other words she "wins" Not in any definition I use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, darrenm said: Not in any definition I use! Yes but you aren't looking at it the right way .... not answering the question is what PMQ's is all about ... it's not about a talent show voted on by users of twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: not answering the question is what PMQ's is all about ... it's not about a talent show voted on by users of twitter That's quite possibly one of the the most inane things I've read on VT (Off Topic). Re-read what you've written there, Tony. Edited April 18, 2017 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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