HanoiVillan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well, he's right, at least in terms of getting the next ten points. If Zatman thinks we're still the only results that matter when we're level, then he's obviously wrong, but no amount of other losses matter until we've gained at least ten more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2016 I made the point that other results hadn't gone our way this weekend. Which they hadn't. People decided to point out that 'the only way' we get ourselves out of this is on our own. Which is patently bullshit because we need help aswell. Then in a protracted discussion they subsequently agree that we need other teams to drop points aswell, which is all that was being said in the first place. They just felt the need to say what everyone alread knows, which is that Villa need to win too. Well duh. But the opening sentence is no less true. Basically a totally avoidable, tiring and typically VT discussion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 yippee swansea vs villa is on sky, we might be relegated by then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 In reality, a miracle is a minuscule bit nearer than a couple of games ago, no more. How is it nearer? I'm not being arsey, its a genuine question as I might be missing something but the 4 points we picked up haven't got us closer to safety have they? No. I was just thinking, at least we have picked up a few points and the forwards/midfield seem to have grasped the idea of heading towards the opposition's goal. Only minuscule as I said - but a few weeks ago we probably wouldn't even have got those points from Palace and Leicester. I think as BOF said earlier, to get out of this we need the most remarkable comeback in the history of the premier league and there's certainly no sign that anything like that is remotely possible from this shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Basically a totally avoidable, tiring and typically VT discussion. At least no gifs or fish puns though. (Immediately regrets saying that...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 33 minutes ago, BOF said: I made the point that other results hadn't gone our way this weekend. Which they hadn't. People decided to point out that 'the only way' we get ourselves out of this is on our own. Which is patently bullshit because we need help aswell. Then in a protracted discussion they subsequently agree that we need other teams to drop points aswell, which is all that was being said in the first place. They just felt the need to say what everyone alread knows, which is that Villa need to win too. Well duh. But the opening sentence is no less true. Basically a totally avoidable, tiring and typically VT discussion. Okay, fair enough. Sounds like you're having fun with it anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: yippee swansea vs villa is on sky, we might be relegated by then! Do you think Leicester's will be able to maintain their title challenge until the end of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted January 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2016 4 hours ago, YLN said: Do you think Leicester's will be able to maintain their title challenge until the end of the season? I don't think they will even make the top four. They lack squad depth, have had a lot of luck and teams appear to have started to figure them out and the traditional top teams will find another gear. They will probably drop down to sixth like Villa did in 98/99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Pretty clear to me we ain't coming back up any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Richard said: Pretty clear to me we ain't coming back up any time soon We haven't even been relegated yet. Sorry, but until we're mathematically relegated, it's absurd to say 'we won't be coming back up any time soon' When we're relegated, THEN after the off-season, is the time to be making statements like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted January 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: We haven't even been relegated yet. Sorry, but until we're mathematically relegated, it's absurd to say 'we won't be coming back up any time soon' When we're relegated, THEN after the off-season, is the time to be making statements like that. It's not a statement, it's his prediction. And based on what's taken place and what we're hearing from the people in charge, it doesn't sound like a crazy one. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powell91 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well any hope of the players (that we want to stay) staying is very low especially now fox has said that every contract signed in the last 2 years has had a relegation wage cut clause in it it would be another serious rebuild and by the looks of it our academy will take center stage hmmmm if thats the case could be a long LONG time before we see ourselves in the premier league again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, DCJonah said: It's not a statement, it's his prediction. And based on what's taken place and what we're hearing from the people in charge, it doesn't sound like a crazy one. Statement/prediction, difference in semantics. Regardless of our situation, January of a season when we're still in the PL isn;'t the time to be making statements like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Statement/prediction, difference in semantics. Regardless of our situation, January of a season when we're still in the PL isn;'t the time to be making statements like that. Bottom of the league, massive points gap to safety and the board coming out with some pretty negative statements, seems a pretty reasonable time to make a prediction on the future of the club. He thinks we will go down, so do 99% of people who follow the sport. He thinks we will struggle to come back up, I can't see how that's a crazy statement. History suggests that if we don't come back first time we will find it difficult. So again it seems reasonable that if you think we will be relegated and you think we'll struggle to come up, that you'll believe we will be down there for a good while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1/20 to go down and 15/2 to stay up on Paddy Power if anybody brave enough to bet on us. Bookies rarely wrong in these situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 28 minutes ago, powell91 said: Well any hope of the players (that we want to stay) staying is very low especially now fox has said that every contract signed in the last 2 years has had a relegation wage cut clause in it it would be another serious rebuild and by the looks of it our academy will take center stage hmmmm if thats the case could be a long LONG time before we see ourselves in the premier league again. If they have relegation wage cut clauses in them (that would mean wages in line with what we could sustain in the championship), couldn't we just refuse to sell them? Some of them might actually feel liable and want to help us get back up since they were a part of the failure. (Maybe wishful thinking but other clubs have done it in the past). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powell91 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 31 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: If they have relegation wage cut clauses in them (that would mean wages in line with what we could sustain in the championship), couldn't we just refuse to sell them? Some of them might actually feel liable and want to help us get back up since they were a part of the failure. (Maybe wishful thinking but other clubs have done it in the past). I suppose it all depends on the what kind of values the player holds unfortunately I see very little loyalty in football today so I won't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 If they have relegation wage cut clauses in them (that would mean wages in line with what we could sustain in the championship), couldn't we just refuse to sell them? Some of them might actually feel liable and want to help us get back up since they were a part of the failure. (Maybe wishful thinking but other clubs have done it in the past). I suppose it all depends on the what kind of values the player holds unfortunately I see very little loyalty in football today so I won't hold my breath. It'll go one of two ways, either we'll be stuck with the shite like Sinclair or he'll be the one to slap in a transfer request the day after we go down Players who have underperformed all season, cruised towards relegation whilst being paid handsomely, moaning like **** when we go down, will be some fun and games on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Won't it just! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1/20 to go down and 15/2 to stay up on Paddy Power if anybody brave enough to bet on us. Bookies rarely wrong in these situations What odds could you have got on Leicester last year, Sunderland the year before and West Brom in 2005? Bookies only operate on a snapshot. They've been wrong many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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