dubbs Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Would be nice to have him on the bench tonight but can't see it happening. Anyway, welcome to AVFC man. Make us proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Ok - just seen the Ts and Cs so its basically a 3 year loan deal with Barca to pay our costs for training him if they want him back within that time. Then it becomes a 2 year contract with Barca having 1st dibs on him after that. In order for us to make money on this deal he needs to be mediocre for 3 years followed by an improvement to a level that Barca wouldn't be interested in. :/ Like I've said - I know nothing about him but IMO this is nothing more than a glorified long term loan deal so I'm not going to get all worked about it or fall in love with him. Where did you get that info? Delighted with this signing, gonna be really exciting watching him play. BBC website - although I admit I've paraphrased slightly. 5 year deal. 3 year buyback and then 2 year 1st refusal on any sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2015 Ok - just seen the Ts and Cs so its basically a 3 year loan deal with Barca to pay our costs for training him if they want him back within that time. Then it becomes a 2 year contract with Barca having 1st dibs on him after that. In order for us to make money on this deal he needs to be mediocre for 3 years followed by an improvement to a level that Barca wouldn't be interested in. :/ Like I've said - I know nothing about him but IMO this is nothing more than a glorified long term loan deal so I'm not going to get all worked about it or fall in love with him. Where did you get that info? Delighted with this signing, gonna be really exciting watching him play. BBC website - although I admit I've paraphrased slightly. 5 year deal. 3 year buyback and then 2 year 1st refusal on any sale. It's not just paraphrasing, you've made that bit in bold up! It says they have a buy-back clause, doesn't say how much for and it certainly doesn't say it's what we paid for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Welcome Señor, You might just be the guy who rouses this giant from his prolonged siesta! Arriba, Arriba! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2015 The buy back just tells every fan in the uk that this is a special player who barca can't let go of. I like it, means yer citehs and chelskis can keep their flithy mits off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 **** great news. Really excited to see this guy play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Ok - just seen the Ts and Cs so its basically a 3 year loan deal with Barca to pay our costs for training him if they want him back within that time. Then it becomes a 2 year contract with Barca having 1st dibs on him after that. In order for us to make money on this deal he needs to be mediocre for 3 years followed by an improvement to a level that Barca wouldn't be interested in. :/ Like I've said - I know nothing about him but IMO this is nothing more than a glorified long term loan deal so I'm not going to get all worked about it or fall in love with him. Where did you get that info? Delighted with this signing, gonna be really exciting watching him play. BBC website - although I admit I've paraphrased slightly. 5 year deal. 3 year buyback and then 2 year 1st refusal on any sale. It's not just paraphrasing, you've made that bit in bold up! It says they have a buy-back clause, doesn't say how much for and it certainly doesn't say it's what we paid for him. I know its the internet and you're supposed to argue in great deal over semantics but what I've said is essentially correct. I haven't applied figures either. You can view a buyback clause (which is never going to be @ market rate) as a "thanks for looking after him payment" I'd imagine it would be more than we paid but nowhere near what he was "worth" if they wanted him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Well done Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy_Lion Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I love his intro video of him saying hello Aston villa with the rock music playing, quite amusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 We don't know any real details of this buyback clause. I would imagine that this is probably quite common when dealing with Barca, but I wonder just how often they exercise their rights? There is the possibility that Barca buy the player back just to sell him again for a profit, but surely the player gets a say in this too? Anyway, I don't really care. I just hope he's a great success here at Aston Villa. They do buy back former players, Jordi Alba and Aleix Vidal being recent examples. However this is usually many years later and for mega bucks rather than as a buy back deal. When it comes to the first team Barcelona only buy world class players full stop so if they want him they will have done well out of the deal. I'd also imagine the fee would see us amply compensated. I cannot think of a single example of them buying back a former player to sell on for a profit. I dont think that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villafied Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 So... The buy back clause. Can someone explain exactly what it means? Does it give Barca the right to buy back, whether we want to or not? At an already agreed price? Have we seen this clause used and executed anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) We don't know any real details of this buyback clause. I would imagine that this is probably quite common when dealing with Barca, but I wonder just how often they exercise their rights? There is the possibility that Barca buy the player back just to sell him again for a profit, but surely the player gets a say in this too? Anyway, I don't really care. I just hope he's a great success here at Aston Villa. They do buy back former players, Jordi Alba and Aleix Vidal being recent examples. However this is usually many years later and for mega bucks rather than as a buy back deal. When it comes to the first team Barcelona only buy world class players full stop so if they want him they will have done well out of the deal. I'd also imagine the fee would see us amply compensated. I cannot think of a single example of them buying back a former player to sell on for a profit. I dont think that will happen. It does happen though - which is why Alderwield (or whatever) is at Spurs now instead of Saints. Also worth noting now with the PL TV deal it will be more likely to happen given that English clubs are disproportionately wealthy compared to their foreign equivalents. Edited August 14, 2015 by Eames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 We don't know any real details of this buyback clause. I would imagine that this is probably quite common when dealing with Barca, but I wonder just how often they exercise their rights? There is the possibility that Barca buy the player back just to sell him again for a profit, but surely the player gets a say in this too? Anyway, I don't really care. I just hope he's a great success here at Aston Villa. They do buy back former players, Jordi Alba and Aleix Vidal being recent examples. However this is usually many years later and for mega bucks rather than as a buy back deal. When it comes to the first team Barcelona only buy world class players full stop so if they want him they will have done well out of the deal. I'd also imagine the fee would see us amply compensated. I cannot think of a single example of them buying back a former player to sell on for a profit. I dont think that will happen. I would imagine the buyback would be exercised to prevent him going to one of their Champs League rivals, like Chelsea, Real, Bayern, et al, rather than to screw with Aston Villa just so Barca can make a bit more money. Either way, we'll have to have one hell of a player on our books for that to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Having a medical at......................................................Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Fantastic absolutely fantastic This has been our best window in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Can somebody explain the buyback clause? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 We don't know any real details of this buyback clause. I would imagine that this is probably quite common when dealing with Barca, but I wonder just how often they exercise their rights? There is the possibility that Barca buy the player back just to sell him again for a profit, but surely the player gets a say in this too? Anyway, I don't really care. I just hope he's a great success here at Aston Villa. They do buy back former players, Jordi Alba and Aleix Vidal being recent examples. However this is usually many years later and for mega bucks rather than as a buy back deal. When it comes to the first team Barcelona only buy world class players full stop so if they want him they will have done well out of the deal. I'd also imagine the fee would see us amply compensated. I cannot think of a single example of them buying back a former player to sell on for a profit. I dont think that will happen. It does happen though - which is why Alderwield (or whatever) is at Spurs now instead of Saints. He was loaned to Southampton with an agreement to buy in place, but that agreement was severed and Saints compensated as he was worth so much more money than the agreed price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 What a first game for him to witness tonight as well, a full house at home to Man U, It's going to be absolutely rocking there tonight. Scenes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2015 I know its been the elephant in the room but i also think its time to discuss the buy back clause and how it works. The time is now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Welcome Jordan... Oh... Welcome Adama... We hope you have an enjoyable stay. For the benefit of the environment, if you wish to have fresh towels, please deposit the used ones in the bathtub. The little claret and blue bottles of shampoo and conditioner are complementary... would sir like a newspaper or an alarm call in the mornings? Be good Adama... be real good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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