VillanousOne Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 i don't care if he doesn't pass to anyone else on our team, as long as the one pass he does make is a cross for a goal or he scores himself. Just set us up so there is cover on the side he is attacking so we don't leave huge gaps. one of many issues we have going forward, is our attacks take so long and go nowhere, everyone gets marked easily and no spaces are left to be exploited. Adama will draw at least two defenders too him most times he attacks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 hour ago, VillanousOne said: i don't care if he doesn't pass to anyone else on our team, as long as the one pass he does make is a cross for a goal or he scores himself. Just set us up so there is cover on the side he is attacking so we don't leave huge gaps. one of many issues we have going forward, is our attacks take so long and go nowhere, everyone gets marked easily and no spaces are left to be exploited. Adama will draw at least two defenders too him most times he attacks. The thing is, if he did pass he'd be ten times as dangerous. You're right, he draws defenders to him. But then he mostly runs into them at the moment. Imagine, if he he drew those defenders, laid the ball off to Veretout and then made a run in behind the defenders he's just drawn in. It's all well and good drawing the defenders. But if you don't beat them or apss to somebody else then you're not making any ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think he would be better starting in away games at the moment when he would have more space to run into though he has played less than 100 minutes this season so not sure we should be pinning so much on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 My biggest gripe with Garde so far is that he was totally unimpressed with Traore when he came on against Watford. Yes he was greedy but he looked 10 times more dangerous than everyone else on the pitch. How you cannot think he'd offer more than the likes of Rudy, Gabby, Bacuna in an advanced role or Sinclair is beyond me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2015 10 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: My biggest gripe with Garde so far is that he was totally unimpressed with Traore when he came on against Watford. Yes he was greedy but he looked 10 times more dangerous than everyone else on the pitch. How you cannot think he'd offer more than the likes of Rudy, Gabby, Bacuna in an advanced role or Sinclair is beyond me. I don't agree with that at all. He had one run as soon as he came on. After that Capoue just stuck to him every time he got the ball and he offered nothing. I agree I'd like to see him play more, but I don't think he's done much to impress the new manager yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: My biggest gripe with Garde so far is that he was totally unimpressed with Traore when he came on against Watford. Yes he was greedy but he looked 10 times more dangerous than everyone else on the pitch. How you cannot think he'd offer more than the likes of Rudy, Gabby, Bacuna in an advanced role or Sinclair is beyond me. Couldn't disagree more. Garde is making this kid realise he isn't Maradona. At one point against Watford he was just walking around on the left side of the pitch with the ball. Literally strolling. The kid has pace and power in abundance, but his overall team game is borderline school boy. He needs to earn the right to start regardless of our position. Think Garde is spot on at the mo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted December 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2015 Re: Traore as a striker / Traore in general Here's a scene you may remember from kids football, or very low-level football with mates. You've got a team, and everyone on it is shit. Everyone except one player, who is bigger, stronger, faster and 1000x more talented than the other players. The team plays the same way: the best player goes up front. The other kids have one simple job - pass the ball to him. Every time they do, he makes something happen, dribbling past loads of inept schoolboy defenders who get fooled by the easiest of dummies. Most of the time he scores six or seven goals a game. The only way to measure the performance of the other players is 'did they give him the ball enough'. The thing about that setup is it works really well with small children, or teams of adult fatsos who happen to be mates with one guy who used to train with a non-league team or something. Unfortunately, it doesn't translate to the professional game, which is why playing Adama up front is a dumb idea. He's not going to be able to dribble past five or six defenders who don't make a challenge before firing home past a keeper who just spins around, showing his arse to the ball instead of diving to make a save. In the Premier League, you have to pass the football. If he was Messi, he could get away without it, but he isn't. Until he learns to pass the ball, he's not good enough for this division, it's really that simple. This talk of playing him as a striker is madness. Has he ever played there before? Would he even know any rudimentary rules about playing as a striker? But sure, yeah, let's start him up front against Arsenal. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) phew, thought i was only one who didnt understand wanting to play him at front. Isnt it all on-ball pace from what weve seen from him? Swear ive read a lot of people just saying he stands around not doing anything when he hasnt got the ball. + the very high risk playstyle which leads to insane amount of turnovers + never played at front. It seems truly awful to play him upfront wrt to the team as a whole whilst it may look good for a a few minutes when hes on. Hes bad/damaging for the team from what we seen from him so far. Hes being managed fine so far iyam. Late in games where were chasing its like saying play Ox at front for arsenal. would look a disaster (some guy said wenger could get traore playing at front or something) Edited December 9, 2015 by gharperr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think he could work as an option up front. But I agree it won't be as simple as stick him up front and he'll immediately be amazing. It'll take a lot of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think he could work as an option up front. But I agree it won't be as simple as stick him up front and he'll immediately be amazing. It'll take a lot of time. I think therein lies the problem doesn't it. We don’t have any more time. We have seen almost half the season pass us by waiting for players to settle in and many of them are still finding their feet. Traore clearly has talent but we are yet to see much of an end product from him due in the main of course to the fact he has had limited match time. I think he may well be a cracking player one day but given our predicament I think the 8 mill could have been better spent elsewhere on a player more likely to hit the ground running rather than one for the future. Having said all of the above we have nothing to lose now do we. Maybe we should throw him in from the start of games and hope he can make something happen and wreaks havoc. We have to win games and this lad has the potential to be a match winner and you can’t say that about many of our other players, if any in fact. Edited December 9, 2015 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2015 I don't mind him being played in games, even from the start. The sooner he adjusts the better. But I don't see him having much of an impact for a while, especially against a team like Arsenal. I'd happily see him start on the right against them though... just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: My biggest gripe with Garde so far is that he was totally unimpressed with Traore when he came on against Watford. Yes he was greedy but he looked 10 times more dangerous than everyone else on the pitch. How you cannot think he'd offer more than the likes of Rudy, Gabby, Bacuna in an advanced role or Sinclair is beyond me. Couldn't disagree more. Garde is making this kid realise he isn't Maradona. At one point against Watford he was just walking around on the left side of the pitch with the ball. Literally strolling. The kid has pace and power in abundance, but his overall team game is borderline school boy. He needs to earn the right to start regardless of our position. Think Garde is spot on at the mo. I don't think he should be starting every game and be the focal point of attack but Garde's comments make it seem like he's he's gone to the back of the queue. Forgoing the obvious threat he provides because he can be greedy seems to be cutting your nose of to spite your face. A bit different if we weren't in such a desperate position perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Guys , you are over-thinking it. Insane amount of turnovers? Isn't that what we spend our time doing anyway? Play him up front and let him do his stuff. Running into the box and causing havoc. He's our best player and we ain't playing him FFS. Mark Hughes must be a mug offering him 70k a week eh, and Barca putting that buy-back clause in. Garde seems to be an insipid appointment, a by the book generic coaching manual manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2015 He's not our best player by a long shot. He's shown absolutely nothing close to being that good so far. He's all potential. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 What's the problem with him playing up front? He cannot possibly be any worse than those already there! Our attacks really do take an age to get anywhere and god forbid if Sanchez is given the as its always sideways and backwards (must have learnt that from Wilkins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 He's not our best player by a long shot. He's shown absolutely nothing close to being that good so far. He's all potential. Has he even totalled an hour on the pitch in the premier league this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It does seem there's more harsher standards being applied to judge Adama than say Sinclair, Gil, Rudy and all their woeful contributions game in game out atm. To me he's the obvious player in our squad who could spark us off with a moment of inspiration in the game. I say give him a run of starts over xmas and see if he can do anything, we'll be playing some slow teams like Norwich, Sunderland and Newcastle so I'm hopeful. If people are worried about his lack of defensive contributions I say this...play him just off the main striker and also bring in Bacuna to tuck into the midfield area so he can cover a bit or is that tactic too revolutionary? Ayew Traore Veretout Gana Bacuna Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 10, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 10, 2015 47 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Has he even totalled an hour on the pitch in the premier league this season? About 100 minutes. I'm excited to see what he can do as he settles down and gets more game time. But to claim he's our best player after what he's shown so far is ludicrous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: It does seem there's more harsher standards being applied to judge Adama than say Sinclair, Gil, Rudy and all their woeful contributions game in game out atm. To me he's the obvious player in our squad who could spark us off with a moment of inspiration in the game. I say give him a run of starts over xmas and see if he can do anything, we'll be playing some slow teams like Norwich, Sunderland and Newcastle so I'm hopeful. If people are worried about his lack of defensive contributions I say this...play him just off the main striker and also bring in Bacuna to tuck into the midfield area so he can cover a bit or is that tactic too revolutionary? Ayew Traore Veretout Gana Bacuna Sanchez No, no harsher standards. I just don't think he's very good right now. To be clear, I think he has more potential than anyone else in the squad by far. A much higher ceiling than everyone else, including Grealish. But right now, he's a dead end. He's way too raw to even be starting games in his natural position, let alone lumping him in a role he's never played before and telling him to save our season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) 6 hours ago, VillaChris said: It does seem there's more harsher standards being applied to judge Adama than say Sinclair, Gil, Rudy and all their woeful contributions game in game out atm. people are saying hes our best player. Some other guy i met said hes going to be the best villa player to ever exist. You got people slagging (bit of a harsh word) garde off because hes not picking him. If people were saying the same about gil/sinclair/rudy (which i think are massively OTT comments) then ill be there pointing out all the criticisms of those players and "judging to harsher standards". but theyre not. CP tried it with bolasie sticking him up at front and it didnt work (two similarish players, both raw as fk, both can dribble). I just dont see the obsession and i dont understand why you wouldnt choose Ayew ST with adama RW if you had to play him? Why we wanting to shove a guy whos never played ST, whos criticism is that he stands around without the ball and that he isnt the most intelligent when he has the ball (seems pretty anti-striker material and more of a winger)? And as pointed out before, the tactic of passing the ball to a player and hope he can dribble around 4 players isnt the greatest tactic in the world when youre over 16 years old The "youre over thinking it and play him ST and hope he causes havoc" line of thinking is pretty st00pid iyam. As if garde/sherwood/coaches at the football ground couldnt think of this if it was a viable option and theyre just over-thinking idiots. (response to supernova comment) Edited December 10, 2015 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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