Dodgyknees Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Sherwood Quote “Some of these foreign boys we’ve gone for are better than the English ones, they’ve played a lot more games at a very young age,” Sherwood said. “You look at the English boys, they’ve played five games and they cost the same amount as a guy who has played 200 games in Ligue 1. It doesn’t add up.” https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/13/tim-sherwood-aston-villa-new-signings Sherwood Quote “I believe that those players in time will be good players for the football club, but when you bring in a lot of players from other countries that have not played and experienced the Premier League before, the competitive nature of it, it is going to take time. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tim-sherwood-gives-insight-aston-10406255 And we all know about Tim's tactics on the sidelines too. Edited January 5, 2018 by Dick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: He was forced to play with a squad of shit that he didn't even want or ask for. No he wasn't. he just said it in an interview and for some reason everyone believes him and goes with it any time it's brought up. He's as responsible for the signings that summer as Bruce is for his signings or Lambert was for his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 You miss Tim Sherwood then do you Dick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: No he wasn't. he just said it in an interview and for some reason everyone believes him and goes with it any time it's brought up. He's as responsible for the signings that summer as Bruce is for his signings or Lambert was for his. “If they are a success they are down to me. If they are a failure it’s also down to me. I’ve got no excuse. I won’t be blaming anyone else. You can do that if they’re not your players and if you have to work with what you are dealt. But that’s not what happens here.” http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/16/tim-sherwoods-excuses-over-transfers-are-not-fooling-aston-villa-fans-5441700/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Sherwood might have been a problem but Veretout is not a reason for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Sherwood might have been a problem but Veretout is not a reason for that The only problem with Sherwood, is Tim Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Stevo985 said: No he wasn't. he just said it in an interview and for some reason everyone believes him and goes with it any time it's brought up. He's as responsible for the signings that summer as Bruce is for his signings or Lambert was for his. I disagree. Stating what is evident, he was hoping to seek fresh young British talent at the time who would come and bust a gut, eager etc. Instead was served aload of foreign players that he never asked for. Another manager hung out to dry the same as Lambert and Gardè. Edited January 6, 2018 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 6, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I disagree. Stating what is evident, he was hoping to seek fresh young British talent at the time who would come and bust a gut, eager etc. Instead was served aload of foreign players that he never asked for. Firstly I think that’s bollocks. all clubs operate a transfer committee these days. But because Sherwood claimed in one interview that some of the players weren’t his idea, he somehow gets absolved of blame by some fans over and over again. He is as responsible for Jordan Veretout as Steve Bruce is for Birkir Bjarnasson. Plus the foreign players he was supposedly forced to use were better than the players he allegedly had all the input for (gestede, Richards, lescott) The man is a clown. Possibly the worst manager we’ve ever had. The fact some fans still try to absolve him of blame boils my blood. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Its not worth fighting over speculation and innuendo......we are not privvy to what goes on behind the scenes, so you end up believing, what you want to believe. I read an article where Jordan blames himself for his stay at Villa, so i have an open mind. on to managers One thing new managers need to do is buy themselves time to scrap for results while they can build a sustainable model. In the first full season Tim and Roberto failed to do that and results inevitably sealed their fate......we will never know, if they would have been any good....only summise. despite a very mixed and up and down season last term......Steve Bruce did secure a few wins to give himself some breathing space to improve and keep himself employed. Ps I think Jordan Vertout and the french boys, were just signings that was not right for the moment, we needed a different type of player for where the club was at......we are now in a better place in terms of spirit and confidence.....so it does not really surprise me to see them all doing well elsewhere,but that does not reflect on us....just different time different place. Edited January 6, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Firstly I think that’s bollocks. all clubs operate a transfer committee these days. But because Sherwood claimed in one interview that some of the players weren’t his idea, he somehow gets absolved of blame by some fans over and over again. He is as responsible for Jordan Veretout as Steve Bruce is for Birkir Bjarnasson. Plus the foreign players he was supposedly forced to use were better than the players he allegedly had all the input for (gestede, Richards, lescott) The man is a clown. Possibly the worst manager we’ve ever had. The fact some fans still try to absolve him of blame boils my blood. Bollocks in your opinion granted and I do not totally excuse Sherwood anymore than I do Garde or Lambert or Kenny the kitman. However I think the blame lays more to the clowns behind the scenes at the time rather than the captains steering the ship if you will. Fwiw, The FA cup semi final was Sherwoods stand out game of his tenure but not much happened for him there after. Anyway.. How is mr Veretout doing nowadays since this is thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, TRO said: Its not worth fighting over speculation and innuendo......we are not privvy to what goes on behind the scenes, so you end up believing, what you want to believe. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 6, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Anyway.. How is mr Veretout doing nowadays since this is thread? Click back to page 215 and you'll see he's doing superbly. That's why this thread has now popped back onto the first page of Other Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Thanks NV. I had to remind myself it wasn't the Tim Sherwood thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Thanks NV. I had to remind myself it wasn't the Tim Sherwood thread! This Tim Sherwood thread is second to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dick said: This Tim Sherwood thread is second to none. I noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I'm not sure Jordan Veretout would have thrived in this country under different management. He struggled with the pace of this league and didn't look up to it physically. Serie A is slower, so he's benefitting from having more time on the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Some players just can't play in the English league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Wonder why Sherwood bought him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, NoelVilla said: Wonder why Sherwood bought him then. Ah no, he had nothing to do with it. Unless he'd turned out alright, then it would have been his idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 09:32, AvfcRigo82 said: I disagree. Stating what is evident, he was hoping to seek fresh young British talent at the time who would come and bust a gut, eager etc. Instead was served aload of foreign players that he never asked for. Another manager hung out to dry the same as Lambert and Gardè. Rigo I find it odd your defending sherwood but critising bruce? Bruce is 100x the manager sherwood is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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