Juju Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Just concerned. We seem to be linked to, and actually signing and therefore paying a lot of money, for very young and therefore inexperienced, albeit talented, French players. However, I cannot think, of any that have been much of a success at Villa. Certainly, French players in the premiership have been successful, but say Arsenal, when Arsené Wenger took over and signed the likes of Petit and Henry, they were already either world class players having enjoyed an excellent World Cup and others were firmly established in the junior international sides. With a French speaking manager who had links with the youth national setup, who brought in an arguably "French" culture to the signing club, it meant the players didn't have such great cultural problems to wrestle with as they might otherwise have done. However, with the likes of Didier Six, Mattheu Berson, David Ginola and those who came either from France or via an English club from France such as Djemba Djemba,Hassan Kachloul, Mustapha Hadji,and Moustapha Salifou, I can't think of any who have really had any "success" at the club. There always seems to be a record of training room breakdowns, home sickness, or just inability to adapt or even put basic effort in. I am concerned there is almost more of a cultural gap between France and England, than many places further afield. Even with non French players, such as Angel, there were great "transitional" issues which negatively effected the effectiveness of very expensive players. With this, I have enormous concern over the recent signings of Amavi and Gueye. We seem to be paying large sums for young players, who with respect are more rather than less likely, to have cultural and basic communication issues than older "jobbing" pros. Certainly greater than say, established England internationals such as Delph have gone for. Noting we have a manager with no track record of signing players, it seems we could be blowing the "windfall" of selling our "family silver" by giving a man with no experience, the money to spend, on signings which have a high % of likely failure. I'd rather sign a player like Delph, than the two French players (who cost more) 10 times out of 10. Should Lerner (and by dint of his position,Fox) be stepping in at this point to reign in the manager, or are we seeing a reenactment of Martin O Neill -trust the manager and let him f**k things right up with no personal consequences. I think he should. Anyone agree? (open the flaming!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Well Gueye is Senegalese not French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Gueye isn't French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I personally say keep rolling the dice, we can't keep getting duds forever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ridiculous. What bearing does the failure of French/players from French leagues at Villa from the past have on the signings we're making now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I get the point, any French players we ever sign, or players we sign from France... fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Also Amavi was voted the best U21 player in Europe. I'd take a punt on him over your Nicky Shoreys etc any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) I get the point, any French players we ever sign, or players we sign from France... fail. They have great fashion sense though Edited July 18, 2015 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Wow! This is the exact thing that the phrase 'epic fail' was invented for. Edited July 18, 2015 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Merde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I get the point, any French players we ever sign, or players we sign from France... fail. They have great fashion sense though They certainly do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 when did it become fashion to wear curtains? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I think your logic is insane, if that's the case we should never have signed Benteke after Luc Nillis & Gilles De Bilde. Kozak after Baros. I can't comment on Six as I wasn't born, but Gregory has said Ginola was a massive mistake and basically Doug just wanted to take photos with him. Berson, I don't think had the athleticism for the Premier League or probably the ability, he didn't exactly set the world alight after he left us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Silly thread saved by the Makoun and N'Zogbia photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I get the point, any French players we ever sign, or players we sign from France... fail. They have great fashion sense though They certainly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 It looks like they've gone all out on the security on those lockers with the key code things, but if someone really wanted to nick something, it looks like they could just saw a hole in them or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 It looks like they've gone all out on the security on those lockers with the key code things, but if someone really wanted to nick something, it looks like they could just saw a hole in them or something. Ya clearly Zog's is between Herd's & Vlaar's he doesn't need a door or lock as no one would rob his shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 18, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2015 Absolute load of nonsense. For a start, the way we sign players is now structured so that Sherwood specifically doesn't have free reign. So your conclusion is proved false without having to read the rest of the post (but I did anyway, and it flies in the face of logic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 18, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2015 REIN. REIN. REIN. Je ne regrette rien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 French or not, most of our signings tend to be a bit shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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