leemond2008 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I've not really looked into this all that much but whilst we are on the subject of terrorism and all that jazz I can't understand how there hasn't been another attack in the UK like 7/7 By that I mean it must be a near impossible task to stamp out terrorism and if we are to believe what we hear that extremists are rife in our country it wouldn't need to be a thouroughly thought out plan, it just takes one mad bastard to create a home made bomb and blow himself to ****. How close do you think we are to another massive attack on the UK? I don't mean anything like Lee Rigby I mean an attack on multiple people in a public place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I too got on a tube shortly after the bombings. I flew on a half empty plane shortly after the towers. But I have no faith that the authorities that would be nominally looking after me on a north african holiday would have the ability, desire or wherewithall to genuinely try and protect me. I'm not asking for guarantees, I'm doubting the ability of a north african government to even understand what's needed to competently try and safeguard a north african beach. Go and take a quick look at a map of north africa and tell me you'd be confident people were able to look after you. By people I assume you mean in an official capacity ? I.e police , govt etc ? I wouldn't necessarily rely on those people in my own country Call me naive but I have a faith in humanity that if I was in a foreign land and trouble like this broke out the local people would look out for me I say this based on my encounters in places many people would call "hostile " ... I possibly didn't fully expand the thinking behind that last line. The point was to look at the geography. In crude terms, you are on a coast line of Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Israel, Syria. I know that's quite a long line, but why would you currently book a holiday anywhere along that line? I don't think an individual Tunisian is more or less capable or honourable than anyone else. I do suspect that given a choice of being 'protected' by the UK authorities, or north african authorities, on average I'd still stick with the UK version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Been following the progress of a Tamworth woman feared dead. Turns out she was one of those killed and she is also the mother of Marc Albrighton's partner. Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 For those of you who think this is a pure Islamic problem. I personally think you are quite naive and narrow minded. I bet you if there was no oil in that part of the world there wouldn't even be an Islamic problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 re. above post; I don't think oil was a factor in The Crusades. Were they an "Islamic problem" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I went to a school which was 40% Muslim and have never met a bad follower if Islam. Every single Muslim I have ever known ( into the 100s now) have been polite and nice. Whereas I know a number of Christians (out of hundreds I have known) who are part of the local far right, nasty as hell. I see more issues with far right Christians than Muslims! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismail-villa Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) That's the thing, the majority of us are good people. Almost 2 billion Muslims, yet people are associating Islam with the very small minority of terrorists rather than everyone else. And even then, these terrorists can't be classed as Muslims when they carry out the atrocities that they do. 'Save a person, it's as if he has saved the whole of mankind. Kill a person, it's as if he has killed the whole of mankind'. Edited June 28, 2015 by ismail-villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Been following the progress of a Tamworth woman feared dead. Turns out she was one of those killed and she is also the mother of Marc Albrighton's partner. Rip yeah I've been following too. Best part of 48 hours without contact meant it was looking that way. We spent a lot of time looking for a good deal for this year's family holiday (restricted to school holidays) and Tunisia always comes up cheapest because of this security fear. I expect it will be pulled altogether now if it hasn't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 That's the thing, the majority of us are good people. Almost 2 billion Muslims, yet people are associating Islam with the very small minority of terrorists rather than everyone else. And even then, these terrorists can't be classed as Muslims when they carry out the atrocities that they do. 'Save a person, it's as if he has saved the whole of mankind. Kill a person, it's as if he has killed the whole of mankind'. With 2 billion Muslims do you think this community should be doing more to wipe out the extremists operating under the same/similar religiosity banner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) A second person from Tamworth confirmed dead now (plus his son). 49 year old Adrian Evans who worked for Sandwell council. :-( Edited June 28, 2015 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 That's the thing, the majority of us are good people. Almost 2 billion Muslims, yet people are associating Islam with the very small minority of terrorists rather than everyone else. And even then, these terrorists can't be classed as Muslims when they carry out the atrocities that they do. 'Save a person, it's as if he has saved the whole of mankind. Kill a person, it's as if he has killed the whole of mankind'. With 2 billion Muslims do you think this community should be doing more to wipe out the extremists operating under the same/similar religiosity banner? How much do you think they are doing? Who should be organising this, and from where? How much do you think the 150 to 200 million shi'a support ISIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Not sure why my question to a poster has been answered with 3 unrelated questions from someone else :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I've not really looked into this all that much but whilst we are on the subject of terrorism and all that jazz I can't understand how there hasn't been another attack in the UK like 7/7 By that I mean it must be a near impossible task to stamp out terrorism and if we are to believe what we hear that extremists are rife in our country it wouldn't need to be a thouroughly thought out plan, it just takes one mad bastard to create a home made bomb and blow himself to ****. How close do you think we are to another massive attack on the UK? I don't mean anything like Lee Rigby I mean an attack on multiple people in a public place. It will happen again, it's inevitable sadly. Whether it's tommorrow, a years time or 10 years something will go off. I was going to say Lee Rigby, was that seen as IS involvement at the time? Was that group even formed back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Didn't they try and repeat the London bombings again two weeks later, but the bombs were out of date and didn't go off? I'm sure loads of plots have been foiled and we have better surveillance of suspected terrorist over here. Some things you still can't stop though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) meh, moving on Edited June 28, 2015 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hycus-flange Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 It's just like the IRA in the past, the authorities knew the players, like they know who these crazy bastards are too, only as in the past we operate a reactive policy and will only touch them if they are in the process of terrorism, what we need to do is change our rules of engagement to be able to act first to save lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Not sure why my question to a poster has been answered with 3 unrelated questions from someone else :-/ The questions are 100% related, they're just difficult to answer, and this is an open forum. IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) edit, wrong thread Edited June 28, 2015 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Not sure why my question to a poster has been answered with 3 unrelated questions from someone else :-/ The questions are 100% related, they're just difficult to answer, and this is an open forum. IMO of course. I was just asking our Muslim member if he thought the 2 billon Muslims should be doing more. I then got 3 questions directed back at me from someone else. A yes/no would have been fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 What can they do? Should we all be doing something about that white lad that shot the black people? What an idiotic thing to expect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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