The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[dAVe80]

[darrenm]

2 hours ago, bickster said:

Meanwhile in Bongo's Bingoland The Canary as usual was singing the wrong f***ing song three days ago (and yes three days ago, this was THE topic of conversation)

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Labour’s treatment of the PSC sums up the shift under Keir Starmer

 

Don't know why you even pay the Canary any attention whatsoever. I'd just ignore it.

[bickster]

5 minutes ago, darrenm said:

Don't know why you even pay the Canary any attention whatsoever. I'd just ignore it.

I don't it just came up in a search of Starmer latest news

[Seat68]

This regards the tories but its relevant to this thread.

Maybe people should stop posting pearl clutching poll results as they clearly mean jack shit. 

 

[ml1dch]

1 hour ago, Seat68 said:

This regards the tories but its relevant to this thread.

Maybe people should stop posting pearl clutching poll results as they clearly mean jack shit. 

 

Very excited to read a hundred different versions of how the shift is all to do with Whatever Issue In The News Is The One That I Think Is Most Important. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by ml1dch

[HanoiVillan]

The amount of faith people put in the British polling industry - which has a fairly poor track record - to be extremely accurate, to the extent of trusting *each individual poll* rather than the average, never ceases to surprise. 

That said, it wouldn't be a big surprise if the Tories have a bit of a blip. It's notable in that poll, not shown in the tweet, that all the movement is CON - RENEW, so *if* it is catching anything at all, it is capturing the disenchantment of the most right wing parts of the Tory base. 

[Xela]

Starmer's plan of not saying anything meaningful is working! 

 

[Jareth]

Gotta love your average Tory voter - migrants drowning in the channel - meh - thousands of uneccessary covid deaths - meh - no food on the shelves - meh - 1.25% increase on NI - OMFG!!!!!!! The irony being that they go off the Tories for raising taxes to allow Labour in who also want to raise taxes. Maybe the tide is turning for the absolute bell ends who put us in the position we currently find ourselves. 

[Genie]

1 hour ago, Xela said:

Starmer's plan of not saying anything meaningful is working! 

 

It’s funny cos it worked for Boris too on the run up to the last election. Hiding in fridges to avoid saying something stupid on camera.

Its genuinely positive news though, I know these things aren’t that accurate but hopefully shows things are changing.

What’s Starmers view on the EU? Would he be sympathetic to rejoining, or another referendum on the subject or reapplying?

[OutByEaster?]

8 minutes ago, Genie said:

What’s Starmer's view on....

Let me just stop you there.

 

[Genie]

3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Let me just stop you there.

 

I should have added “personal” on the off chance he drunkenly mentioned it to someone and the leaked it

[blandy]

2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Let me just stop you there.

There's a serious point, I think, behind the (fair) comment that Labour doesn't appear to have any clear views.

It's this. Starmer clearly does hold personal views. That's not the problem. The problem is that Labour doesn't. Labour does not just take whatever the leader thinks on an issue and go with that. They hold conferences and decide on their collective policies and approach. Sure the leadership can finagle a bit to block some motions, or push others - but if you take the last bloke and Trident as an example, party policy and leader views were totally at odds (which is always a problem). Same occurred with Brexit - Corbyn spent his whole life voting against EEC and EU stuff, and then was faced with a Gov't that wanted to leave and a duty to "oppose" and Labour collectively couldn't work out where it stood.

The sooner Labour sorts itself out in terms of a set of policies the better. Then they can start presenting alternatives to whatever idiocy the tories do next. To date starmer has been limited to critiquing stuff after the tories have come up with it, and while he's done OK on a few micro issues of competence (around the pandemic - e.g the need for a lockdown last September and so on, where he was clearly proven correct) it's easy for the tories to say "well what would you do" and without his party having the "what" he's kind of snookered and has to address incompetence, rather than having an alternative and being able to present why "his" plan is better.

[HanoiVillan]

22 minutes ago, Genie said:

What’s Starmers view on the EU? Would he be sympathetic to rejoining, or another referendum on the subject or reapplying?

There's absolutely no chance that Labour will touch the subject again in the short or medium term.

[Genie]

Just now, HanoiVillan said:

There's absolutely no chance that Labour will touch the subject again in the short or medium term.

Why not? 
It’s a massive issue and would guarantee a lot of votes. 
A bit like the Tories getting a lot of votes from other parties last time to “get Brexit done” the same would happen if Labour promised to re-apply or offer a new referendum. Many Tories who have been shafted by Brexit would give a vote to Labour wouldn’t they? Even if it was a one off.

[HanoiVillan]

5 minutes ago, Genie said:

Why not? 
It’s a massive issue and would guarantee a lot of votes. 
A bit like the Tories getting a lot of votes from other parties last time to “get Brexit done” the same would happen if Labour promised to re-apply or offer a new referendum. Many Tories who have been shafted by Brexit would give a vote to Labour wouldn’t they? Even if it was a one off.

Because it's an election-losing issue to talk about. Unfortunately it would not in any way 'guarantee a lot of votes'; instead it would split the Labour party (again). They should not talk about it, and they definitely won't.

[HanoiVillan]

Find this sort of thing really annoying:

I've seen this a lot in the last 24 hours, but these people should really try to put themselves in Raducanu's shoes and ask themselves whether, having moved from another country before (I presume) her first actual living memory, she primarily regards herself as an immigrant or wants her birth location to be used as a political weapon to wield against Priti Patel. It's not massively better to be doing this routine than it is to be doing a xenophobia routine, they're both fundamentally about defining people as something other than really British for political purposes.

Also lol at Alastair Campbell doing this bit as if he wasn't personally responsible for further mainstreaming anti-immigrant sentiment in British politics for a decade or so.

[OutByEaster?]

Well, it looks like he's going to let us in on the secrets - there's a 14,000 word vision document coming.

Even team Starmer can't pad out 14,000 words with just business-speak-cliche-buzzwords so hopefully we'll finally have the beginnings of something he can hang his hat on.

 

[blandy]

3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

there's a 14,000 word vision document coming.

Oh dear. That looks like a mistake.  No one’s going to actually read it, but some people will scan if for stuff they can quote in isolation, misrepresent, or otherwise argue with for media attention.

No one should have to read 14000 words from any politician.

[OutByEaster?]

6 minutes ago, blandy said:

Oh dear. That looks like a mistake.  No one’s going to actually read it, but some people will scan if for stuff they can quote in isolation, misrepresent, or otherwise argue with for media attention.

No one should have to read 14000 words from any politician.

Yeah, it's a strange one in terms of its length - but in fairness one thing I do think team Starmer have about them is the ability to release it in the right way, which hopefully means a handy summary for the press, directed in the right way so that they don't have to read, dissect and misrepresent the full document. If they get that right then initially there should be some clearer stuff with the picking apart of it coming afterward and in a quieter way.

It's what the 'clearer stuff' will be that becomes the concern.

 

[Davkaus]

I was worried that Starmer may not have his finger on the pulse of the Labour membership, but a dissertation about his vision, no doubt full of plenty of thought leadership but absent of any actual policy, certainly ought to get the party on side. Give me strength.