Jareth Posted July 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: As an election winning strategy, targeting 75% of a minority demographic of which around half doesn't regularly vote is an interesting one. Not sure it's election winning to ignore them, yer know, because: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: Not sure it's election winning to ignore them, yer know, because: If we had proportional representation and everybody voted, that would be a great graphic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: If we had proportional representation and everybody voted, that would be a great graphic. It's the 2019 election, vote by age. Obviously there is no catch all definition of the 'yoof' - but are Labour taking a large section of their current voters, and certainly future voters for granted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: If we had proportional representation and everybody voted, that would be a great graphic. I mean I don't think Labour have a lot of space to *lose* lots of voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Jareth said: It's the 2019 election, vote by age. Obviously there is no catch all definition of the 'yoof' - but are Labour taking a large section of their current voters, and certainly future voters for granted? Why do you ask. What is it Labour has done or is doing that is likely to change the graph? The graph shows “of those people in that age group who actually voted, this proportion voted X way” It doesn’t show what overall % of each age group voted at all, or why they voted or didn’t vote for any party. It essentially says younger people more likely to vote Labour than Tory and that changes as you go through the age groups. The tories have a problem appealing to the young and Labour to the elderly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, blandy said: Why do you ask. What is it Labour has done or is doing that is likely to change the graph? The graph shows “of those people in that age group who actually voted, this proportion voted X way” It doesn’t show what overall % of each age group voted at all, or why they voted or didn’t vote for any party. It essentially says younger people more likely to vote Labour than Tory and that changes as you go through the age groups. The tories have a problem appealing to the young and Labour to the elderly It was one page back - a poll by the IEA highlighted those between 16-34 are by large majority in favour of policies that the current Labour party is moving away from by proscribing any group which supported the old guard - when those policies were front and centre. 16-34s vote Labour, but it seems folly to take that for granted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jareth said: It was one page back - a poll by the IEA highlighted those between 16-34 are by large majority in favour of policies that the current Labour party is moving away from by proscribing any group which supported the old guard - when those policies were front and centre. 16-34s vote Labour, but it seems folly to take that for granted I saw that and confess I don’t think much of the content is kind of no longer “Labour” because there are stories about hoofing out some anti starmer factions. as an aside some of what that poll’s majority thinks is also utter tosh. Climate change is a specifically capitalist problem. I mean China, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, blandy said: Climate change is a specifically capitalist problem. I mean China, anyone? I was going to point that out but then I realised that someone from the Fifth International of International Socialists would come along and scream State Capitalism in my face so I didn't bother because someone from the Fourth Inteernatational would be along soon after to shout back about Degenerate Workers States, then they'd both disappear into a room, indulge in some dodgy misogynistic sexual practices with each other, whilst denying everything, form a new party then split from each other 6 months later because... well to be honest who cares but it was probably the specific wording on a pamphlet and one of them was pregnant and the other was demanding a DNA test 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, bickster said: I was going to point that out but then I realised that someone from the Fifth International of International Socialists would come along and scream State Capitalism in my face so I didn't bother because someone from the Fourth Inteernatational would be along soon after to shout back about Degenerate Workers States, then they'd both disappear into a room, indulge in some dodgy misogynistic sexual practices with each other, whilst denying everything, form a new party then split from each other 6 months later because... well to be honest who cares but it was probably the specific wording on a pamphlet and one of them was pregnant and the other was demanding a DNA test You're not making an announcement at five o'clock are you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 14 hours ago, blandy said: I saw that and confess I don’t think much of the content is kind of no longer “Labour” because there are stories about hoofing out some anti starmer factions. as an aside some of what that poll’s majority thinks is also utter tosh. Climate change is a specifically capitalist problem. I mean China, anyone? China? It's massively capitalist, surely? They're an authoritarian government, but still capitalist, just like Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 At what point does Keir go '"it's over, I've **** it" and give up? A third of the employed staff (not a quarter) to be let go because Labour have no money after being very rich 2 years ago. I guess that's what you happens when you manage to turn everyone off you apart from a few Blair fans hoping for the reformation of D:Ream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, darrenm said: China? It's massively capitalist, surely? They're an authoritarian government, but still capitalist, just like Russia. Regardless of the semantics around the word Capitalism, they were just as bad at creating polution when they were a completely Planned Economy, same goes for the USSR I did predict someone from the 5th International would come along though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, darrenm said: At what point does Keir go '"it's over, I've **** it" and give up? A third of the employed staff (not a quarter) to be let go because Labour have no money after being very rich 2 years ago. I guess that's what you happens when you manage to turn everyone off you apart from a few Blair fans hoping for the reformation of D:Ream. A lot of the regional staff have been sidelined for ages, mainly because no one trusts them due to their politics. My neice is one such regional member of staff in Birmingham. Hasn't lifted a finger for the best part of two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, darrenm said: At what point does Keir go '"it's over, I've **** it" and give up? A third of the employed staff (not a quarter) to be let go because Labour have no money after being very rich 2 years ago. I guess that's what you happens when you manage to turn everyone off you apart from a few Blair fans hoping for the reformation of D:Ream. For those who only read a headline, the coffers are low due to fighting multiple general elections and also a costly court case. Starmer needs to stop calling these elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Seat68 said: For those who only read a headline, the coffers are low due to fighting multiple general elections and also a costly court case. Starmer needs to stop calling these elections. Surely dwindling membership fees and Unite cutting funding isn't helping? I don't remember there being the same problem after fighting the 2017 general election. Quite the opposite, in fact: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain Quote The party’s large membership, swollen since the 2015 leadership contest, has helped ensure that Labour is easily the richest political party in Britain. In the general election year of 2017 the Labour party raised £55.8m – £10m more than the Conservatives. Labour members, who number about 550,000, generated £16.1m in subs for their party in 2017. A further £18.2m came via donations, partly from online campaigns. As the party’s annual report highlights, on one day alone, during last year’s general election campaign, Labour was able to raise £500,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Seat68 said: stop calling these elections Or win one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 20, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, darrenm said: Surely dwindling membership fees and Unite cutting funding isn't helping? I don't remember there being the same problem after fighting the 2017 general election. Quite the opposite, in fact: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain So Labour are trying to improve their carbon footprint by moving away from capitalism. It seems you have your messages mixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, darrenm said: Surely dwindling membership fees and Unite cutting funding isn't helping? I don't remember there being the same problem after fighting the 2017 general election. Quite the opposite, in fact: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain I can only go by the article in the tweet you quoted and the reasons it says. Also the article says could/may and not will. So purely speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, bickster said: So Labour are trying to improve their carbon footprint by moving away from capitalism. It seems you have your messages mixed "A brilliant plan, Baldrick. With 1 minor drawback.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I can only go by the article in the tweet you quoted and the reasons it says. Also the article says could/may and not will. So purely speculation Yeah I've asked Heather to clarify the obviously false information that it's because of fighting 3 general elections in 6 years when the article in 2018 about Labour being very cash rich was after 2 of those elections. I guess you could posit that in 2016 and 2018 Labour had a way to get the election spending money back quickly whereas something different in 2020 they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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