OutByEaster? Posted April 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2021 Get out of maaa pab! Well, at least it's nice to know he's out there. He took it well in fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted April 19, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minor parties leaders have signed a document calling for an inquiry in the Prime Ministers truthfulness. Starmer refused on the grounds that Labour don't support motions by other parties. That really is a dick move and not a good look 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davkaus Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 19/04/2021 at 21:09, bickster said: 6 minor parties leaders have signed a document calling for an inquiry in the Prime Ministers truthfulness. Starmer refused on the grounds that Labour don't support motions by other parties. That really is a dick move and not a good look I wouldn't be surprised if he supported a motion to rim the prime minister at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Completely Off Topic: I just looked that road up (Cos I'm like that) and the next street along is called... Avenue Road. So many topics I could put that in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Completely Off Topic: I just looked that road up (Cos I'm like that) and the next street along is called... Avenue Road. So many topics I could put that in I used to live next to an Avenue Road (not that one). Stupid name, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: They were bad mouthing Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett the other day on twitter, because they were in Hartlepool campaigning for Paul Williams. As if a two northern, Labour MPs aren't going to go and help out in a constituency 45 mins drive away, because their candidate is more socialist that Dr Paul. I mean I have misgivings about the party's candidate, but I understand the need to campaign for a Labour candidate, if you want to keep the seat away from the grasps of the Tories. The Northern Independence Party is beginning to ever so slightly get on my tits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, dAVe80 said: They were bad mouthing Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett the other day on twitter, because they were in Hartlepool campaigning for Paul Williams. As if a two northern, Labour MPs aren't going to go and help out in a constituency 45 mins drive away, because their candidate is more socialist that Dr Paul. I mean I have misgivings about the party's candidate, but I understand the need to campaign for a Labour candidate, if you want to keep the seat away from the grasps of the Tories. The Northern Independence Party is beginning to ever so slightly get on my tits. They had a tweet recently that they would legalise cannabis and I presumed at the time that perhaps they’d decided the joke had outlived its time and they were going to release steadily more vote losing policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: They had a tweet recently that they would legalise cannabis and I presumed at the time that perhaps they’d decided the joke had outlived its time and they were going to release steadily more vote losing policies. Are you sure that legalising cannabis would be a vote-losing policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Are you sure that legalising cannabis would be a vote-losing policy? Now, that’s an interesting point (to me). I think there is a grown up sensible conversation to be had on whether we are a grown up sensible country. Where grown up sensible people can have a relaxing Friday evening with something less harmful than red wine. But if you just post a graphic on your twitter... Then I’d suspect other parties can rubbish you as not being serious and trot out all their usual counter arguments and call you irresponsible, IF you ever looked like you were getting any traction with the voters. Their manifesto says they want more money for mental health, and they want cannabis legalised and other drugs decriminalised. I think the other parties would have well rehearsed arguments on why they were being naive. But perhaps we’re guilty of giving them way too much attention anyway and they won’t get to the point where the others need to rubbish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about NIP. I don't think they're more than a joke (at least at this stage) and I'm pretty sure nobody without a Twitter account even knows who they are. I'm interested more generally in the question of cannabis, separate from the separatists. My suspicion is that underlying public opinion is moving rapidly on this issue towards liberalisation. The most recent polls I can find on the subject are a YouGov poll from 2019 (https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jebv23n429/CDPRG_190617_190619_Combined.pdf) that had strongly support/tend to support legalisation at 48%, and strongly oppose/tend to oppose at 24%; a Survation poll for the Evening Standard around the same time found 63% of Londoners in favour and a 47%-30% split in favour of legalisation outside the capital (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/the-cannabis-debate-63-per-cent-of-londoners-think-uk-should-follow-canada-and-make-cannabis-legal-a4179291.html). I also see that Sadiq Khan is setting up a review to consider decriminalisation if he's re-elected. Meanwhile over in the States there are more and more states liberalising each time they have an election round, and such noted liberal bastions as Mississippi and South Dakota now have more liberal policies than we do here. Dunno, I just don't think it's a 'vote loser' to be honest. May not be a 'vote winner' either of course, but I don't think a politician can just call people hippies and consider it job done at this point. Edited April 21, 2021 by HanoiVillan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 He's not lost that golden touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about NIP. I don't think they're more than a joke (at least at this stage) and I'm pretty sure nobody without a Twitter account even knows who they are. I'm interested more generally in the question of cannabis, separate from the separatists. My suspicion is that underlying public opinion is moving rapidly on this issue towards liberalisation. The most recent polls I can find on the subject are a YouGov poll from 2019 (https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jebv23n429/CDPRG_190617_190619_Combined.pdf) that had strongly support/tend to support legalisation at 48%, and strongly oppose/tend to oppose at 24%; a Survation poll for the Evening Standard around the same time found 63% of Londoners in favour and a 47%-30% split in favour of legalisation outside the capital (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/the-cannabis-debate-63-per-cent-of-londoners-think-uk-should-follow-canada-and-make-cannabis-legal-a4179291.html). I also see that Sadiq Khan is setting up a review to consider decriminalisation if he's re-elected. Meanwhile over in the States there are more and more states liberalising each time they have an election round, and such noted liberal bastions as Mississippi and South Dakota now have more liberal policies than we do here. Dunno, I just don't think it's a 'vote loser' to be honest. May not be a 'vote winner' either of course, but I don't think a politician can just call people hippies and consider it job done at this point. Yep, we’re talking about two different things here. As I mentioned, there’s a discussion on cannabis to be had, and there’s just posting a legalise cannabis graphic. Which I don’t doubt for a second would get you 250 extra votes so not require any serious engagement from the other parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 8 hours ago, chrisp65 said: They had a tweet recently that they would legalise cannabis and I presumed at the time that perhaps they’d decided the joke had outlived its time and they were going to release steadily more vote losing policies. That would anything but be a losing policy. That would be very popular definitely amongst younger voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: That would anything but be a losing policy. That would be very popular definitely amongst younger voters Yes, as a policy, it’s certainly done the trick for the Lib Dem’s who are racing ahead in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Yes, as a policy, it’s certainly done the trick for the Lib Dem’s who are racing ahead in the polls. Lib dems could offer £100 free to everyone and no one would still vitw for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Lib dems could offer £100 free to everyone and no one would still vitw for them Yes, that's right. The Lib Dems are in a shit situation they made for themselves, and that has approximately nothing to do with their position on cannabis. (Although of course it clearly hasn't been enough to bring them roaring back as a political force either) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Although of course it clearly hasn't been enough to bring them roaring back as a political force either They're gonna get round to it. They just need to sit here for a bit, chilling, and then one of them will go to the 24 hour garage for some chocolate and maybe after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, blandy said: They're gonna get round to it. They just need to sit here for a bit, chilling, and then one of them will go to the 24 hour garage for some chocolate and maybe after that... I was going to make some joke about picturing Ed Davey high, but to be honest I don't think I can remember what he looks like, so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I was going to make some joke about picturing Ed Davey high, but to be honest I don't think I can remember what he looks like, so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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