HanoiVillan Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 12 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Again again again I have not said the electorate will hate any mention of LGBT rights. So, finally, why not just be happy? If you agree with what's being said, and you don't think the electorate will hate it, and you don't know - because of course nobody knows - what issues will be important in the next general election, then why not be happy that a political party which for the majority of its history been hopeless on these issues, now isn't? ******************** We don't all need to be pound shop Alistair Campbells. There are about half a dozen to a dozen political communication professionals in the Labour Party who need to decide what issues to highlight or sideline, when they trade off rights against political expediency etc. The rest of us don't. We don't have to analyse every issue by 'how it's going to play in Crewe in four or five years', which is both a dismal way of looking at politics and ultimately fruitless, because people are really bad at political predictions. People should be able to advocate for what they think is right, with less of this Monday morning quarterbacking on political strategy. (This goes triple for everyone reading this who spent the last three years arguing for a second referendum, by the way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 22, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Jon said: Idealistic parties can and do still win elections. Yes, it's not easy, when all the instruments of the capitalist state and the establishment are against you. But let's not give up the good fight. The powers that be are desperate for labour to drift back to capitalist, centrist blairesque policies. The people and the planet need better than that. Sorry Jon mate, that's nonsense. ”The Powers that Be” are desperate for Labour to remain the party of Corbyn's Folly, so much so I suspect they'll embalm him when he dies and turn his mausoleum into a paying tourist attraction. He's their hero, , not the working classes. Why on earth would they want an electable Labour Party? The fact that the most incompetent Tory Government ever was replaced with a Tory Government with a whopping majority and not a Labour government as should have been the case in any normal scenario tells you all you need to know! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 It's all very sad stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 It's looking increasingly like Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner will win leader and deputy leadership race. I'm not so found of Rayner, I'd much rather Ian Murray but I can stomach Starmer or Nandy. RLB would be an absolute disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 22/02/2020 at 13:14, bickster said: ”The Powers that Be” are desperate for Labour to remain the party of Corbyn's Folly, so much so I suspect they'll embalm him when he dies and turn his mausoleum into a paying tourist attraction. He's their hero, , not the working classes. Why on earth would they want an electable Labour Party? The activists, "intellectuals" and loud mouth left wing soldiers worshiping Corbyn's figure are probably as far detached from an average voter as the Eton going conservative idiots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 For reasons I can’t fathom I’m watching Andrew Neil with the labour leader wannabes ... can I be the first to congratulate Boris on his 2024 election victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: For reasons I can’t fathom I’m watching Andrew Neil with the labour leader wannabes ... can I be the first to congratulate Boris on his 2024 election victory Won’t happen. I predict Boris will be gone by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Boris will be voted back in on a wave of public goodwill as he announces his new girlfriend is expecting twins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 4, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: Boris will be voted back in on a wave of public goodwill as he announces his new girlfriend is expecting twins. Which girlfriend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, bickster said: Which girlfriend? I suspect we’re about 18 months / 2 years away from that question causing a pro longed period trapped in a walk in fridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, bickster said: Won’t happen. I predict Boris will be gone by then I might file this next to your prediction that he won’t become leader of the Conservative party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 8, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2020 This has never existed in the Labour Party, this was just a way of getting at Corbyn (See subsequent tweet too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I’m quite enjoying all the mental right wingers on twitter losing it because Khan is polling well ahead of Bailey for London mayor. Considering the importance they place on having ‘control’ of their little corner of the world it’s amusing how many seem to think they should have a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: I’m quite enjoying all the mental right wingers on twitter losing it because Khan is polling well ahead of Bailey for London mayor. Considering the importance they place on having ‘control’ of their little corner of the world it’s amusing how many seem to think they should have a vote. London is a labour stronghold anyway. Miracle that Boris won there twice really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Xela said: London is a labour stronghold anyway. Miracle that Boris won there twice really. Must have been because he had a Muslim grandad. Edited March 10, 2020 by Sam-AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said: Must have been because he had a Muslim grandad. He obviously charmed the Islington metropolitan liberal elite with his buffoonery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I put it down to the quotient of **** idiots who wanted one of their own In power. Lap it up snowflakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Xela said: London is a labour stronghold anyway. Miracle that Boris won there twice really. The first sentence is true, but it's quite a recent development. The whole city was much more competitive when Boris was mayor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: The first sentence is true, but it's quite a recent development. The whole city was much more competitive when Boris was mayor. Define competitive When Johnson won in 2008 , London was 44 seats labour to 21 Tory when he won for the second time it was 38 labour to 28 Tory Edited March 11, 2020 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Define competitive When Johnson won in 2008 , London was 44 seats labour to 21 Tory when he won for the second time it was 38 labour to 28 Tory Significantly more competitive than now, then, when the distribution is 49 Labour 23 Tory, despite the national environment being massively more Tory than it was in either of those years? Not sure what you're disagreeing with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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