bannedfromHandV Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: I don't take that reading of that at all. He's saying the issue was used nefariously. He's correct. Yeah I think it's very possible, that it was over-exaggerated for nefarious means I mean. And also that you're therefore correct, possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2020 Quote When asked if he recognised the suggestion that Labour had a problem with anti-Semitism, he responded: “No, I’ve never recognised that. I believe it was mood music that was created by people who were trying to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. “In 47 years of membership in the Labour Party I’ve never been at a meeting where there was any anti-Semitic language.” Labour list 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I hear a lot of criticism of Israel in the Labour Party. But I can honestly say I have never heard any overtly anti Semitic comments. One should not be conflated with the other. I am a member of the Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, meregreen said: I hear a lot of criticism of Israel in the Labour Party. But I can honestly say I have never heard any overtly anti Semitic comments. One should not be conflated with the other. I am a member of the Labour Party. I hear a lot of antisemitic criticisms of Israel by Labour Party members. It is very often conflated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, bickster said: I hear a lot of antisemitic criticisms of Israel by Labour Party members. It is very often conflated In what way was it referencing their race rather than their Nations policies and actions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, meregreen said: In what way was it referencing their race rather than their Nations policies and actions though. J-word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bickster said: J-word That would be regrettable. However I standby my observation that I have never heard either that or any other anti Semitic comment in my time in the Labour Party. As an aside, my wife’s late father was Polish, came over in the war. I have visited Poland many times to see her family, sadly I came across pretty endemic anti Semitism in the country. They didn’t even seem to regard it as unacceptable. I made a point of visiting various sites synonymous with the holocaust, including Auschwitz Birkenau, this at a time, before the end of communist rule, when such tourism was not as common as today. It truly shocked me. If I ever came across such opinions within Labour I would resign my membership . That’s not to say that I believe there are no anti Semites in Labour. Sadly no strata of society is without its misguided elements. What I don’t believe, is that anti Semitism is widespread amongst its membership. No more than any other large grouping of people. Indeed I am of the opinion that both historically and currently, intolerant views of minorities are to be found more on the Political Right. Edited January 28, 2020 by meregreen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, meregreen said: both historically and currently, intolerant views of minorities are to be found more on the Political Right. Left and right is meaningless in this discussion. Stalin and Hitler... I went to communist Poland and the racism in general was just horrific. Straight after I went to the USSR, it was worse (the only place I've actually heard a black person being refereed to as Blue Boy! to their face!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, bickster said: Left and right is meaningless in this discussion. Stalin and Hitler... I went to communist Poland and the racism in general was just horrific. Straight after I went to the USSR, it was worse (the only place I've actually heard a black person being refereed to as Blue Boy! to their face!) Yes, my experience was a little more insidious. While watching TV with members of my wife’s family, a common thing was to see Hollywood films dubbed in Polish. Kirk Douglas was in a scene and my wife’s cousins husband immediately turned to me and pointing at the screen said Jude, Jude. I felt like my opinions were being sounded out on the subject. Suffice to say my face indicated my distaste and no such comment was made to me again.I have to say in the whole time we were there he was an absolute gentleman and showed us nothing but kindness. This kind of thing is instilled at birth in Eastern Europe. Sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Labour definitely rejecting national credibility as an electoral strategy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Peace pledge I’ll only believe it’s a serious policy if they carve it on Ed’s stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Has there ever been military action abroad that the incumbent government couldn't spin as being a national emergency? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 6, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Awol said: Labour definitely rejecting national credibility as an electoral strategy. So, if Labour are in government the party members decide if we go to war... Has he had a bang on the head? Someone call him a nurse Even the get out clause is already there, ”National Emergency” How many UN resolutions are there about Israel? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 6, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2020 Too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 6, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: Too many. Well yes quite but that wasn't really my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 6, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2020 Was more of a flippant ambiguous comment than a retort to the specific point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think a worthwhile goal for Labour is for this country to have fewer and shorter wars. I don't particularly think this is the best way to achieve that, but to the extent it's putting war-reduction in the conversation, I'm fine with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted February 6, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I think a worthwhile goal for Labour is for this country to have fewer and shorter wars. I don't particularly think this is the best way to achieve that, but to the extent it's putting war-reduction in the conversation, I'm fine with it. This is not aimed at you, HV, but Burgeon. The thing is, absolutely no one, no party wants or says "we want more wars and death and stuff and we want longer wars, too". No party wants any wars. It's an absolute no brainer. As co-incidentally is Burgeon. Now in the event that, er, "events" mean that conflict/war is a potential necessity/course of action - take some recent examples - Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Various middle Eastern stuff. each time the circumstances were different. Parliament is now involved by precedent. I'd rather that, despite various dimwits and clowns, than a single party's membership. The MPs are better placed to consider the merits or otherwise, have more time and resources to look at data and facts and possible outcomes and access to officials, military advice and so on than does the Islington sect of Momentum and all the other various members. Who on earth wants a party membership to determine whether we have a bit of a war or not? Labour, or a significant part of the Corbyn/RLB/Burgeon types are beyond compare as absolute incompetent, hard of thinking, effwits. I mean wake up (them, not you). In terms of appealing to voters and winning elections the things these clowns lean towards and raise and so on are just mental, in the main. They don't think it through. Whether it's free broadband, or WASPI pension stuff. God save us from the ****. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I do sometimes think it's a bit rum to automatically dismiss those who propose things that don't meet with one's own preconceived ideas or what a significant proportion of the current electorate might assume to be credible as 'hard of thinking'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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