Xann Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Ooh - How lovely seeing everyone's true colours 2 hours ago, Seat68 said: ... in this day and age I vote for who I want, and not to stop someone I don't want. If the consensus doesn't agree, well sadly thats it, thats democracy. This is how I've been voting for decades. The problem is the chips the pig f***ing Tory piece of shit put on the table. The implications for the the kids and our generation in our dotage are beyond profound. 58 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Fair points but being a lying racist **** doesn’t necessarily mean he would run the country to the ground... As we saw with TTIP, Johnson's plan is to empower corporations, American corporations at that, vs Parliament and the State. Even Obama did this in the US. Now we have Trump. If people are thinking this is the model to aspire to? Consider relocating to the States. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Fair points but being a lying racist **** doesn’t necessarily mean he would run the country to the ground. Life’s got to be about more than a balance sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Fair points but being a lying racist **** doesn’t necessarily mean he would run the country to the ground. Being a lying racist bastard though does suggest that when he tells you things like he won't be flogging the NHS off to Trump or that he won't be downgrading workers rights then he is telling you a pack of lies. Edited November 8, 2019 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 07/11/2019 at 20:25, ml1dch said: *sigh* Glad to see Tahir Ali has been selected as the candidate. A great trade unionist, from my own union, the CWU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted November 9, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, dAVe80 said: Glad to see Tahir Ali has been selected as the candidate. A great trade unionist, from my own union, the CWU. Roger Godsiff standing as an independent though and risking splitting the labour vote. Mind you, it was huge labour majority last time (nearly 34,000) so should still be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, cyrusr said: Roger Godsiff standing as an independent though and risking splitting the labour vote. Mind you, it was huge labour majority last time (nearly 34,000) so should still be OK. Leave supporting, LGBTQ+ baiting, "laziest MP in the UK", Roger Gorsiff should be seen off by any decent candidate, you'd hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted November 10, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 hours ago, dAVe80 said: Leave supporting, LGBTQ+ baiting, "laziest MP in the UK", Roger Gorsiff should be seen off by any decent candidate, you'd hope. You would think, however, this is the British public we are talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 hours ago, dAVe80 said: Leave supporting, LGBTQ+ baiting, "laziest MP in the UK", Roger Gorsiff should be seen off by any decent candidate, you'd hope. I think he’d be seen off by a donkey with a red rosette pinned to its arse tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 What's the chances that the 'cyber-attack' on the labour online platforms was state sponsored.......and by a state that starts with R and rhymes with Musher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Haven't they already said this is a low level ddos thing. And havent the NCSC said there is no need to get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, colhint said: Haven't they already said this is a low level ddos thing. And havent the NCSC said there is no need to get involved. Yeah but aren't they also withholding the release of the recent report into foreign interference in domestic matters..........whoever they are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Yeah but aren't they also withholding the release of the recent report into foreign interference in domestic matters..........whoever they are..... According the BBC Labour are reporting that the attacks originated in Russia and Brazil. You'll never link it to the Russian state but most likely had some kind of state direction. Russia's neo-cold war strategy has been to destabilise western democracies in anyway possible so it makes sense to attack a party that is seemingly keeping the Remain door open. Edited November 12, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Russia's neo-cold war strategy has been to destabilise western democracies in anyway possible so it makes sense to attack a party that is seemingly keeping the Remain door open. They've paid good money for the tories to win, so they wouldn't want that to have been wasted, would they? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Tweeting about McDonald's workers getting £15 an hour... That's the kind of shit that doesn't get him elected, McDonald's staff getting paid more than nurses and policemen "pay them more too!!!!" with what? People see straight through it And that's before you then look at McDonald's reaction which will be overhead reduction either through more order terminals or reduced quality (!) and then value recovery via passing the increased costs on to the consumer He seems on a quest to stop people earning money and making a profit, give everything to those at the bottom without any concern as to why they are at the bottom or why those he is targeting are at the top 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Tweeting about McDonald's workers getting £15 an hour... That's the kind of shit that doesn't get him elected, McDonald's staff getting paid more than nurses and policemen "pay them more too!!!!" with what? People see straight through it And that's before you then look at McDonald's reaction which will be overhead reduction either through more order terminals or reduced quality (!) and then value recovery via passing the increased costs on to the consumer He seems on a quest to stop people earning money and making a profit, give everything to those at the bottom without any concern as to why they are at the bottom or why those he is targeting are at the top I seriously doubt that the number of people annoyed by his tweet in the manner you have been, is larger than the combined workforce of UK fast food restaurants, so frankly this tweet seems to me to have plenty of upside (campaigns for fast food worker payrises have been both reasonably popular and quite successful in the States). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 It's private money, let them strike. Maybe it'll inspire other low paid professions to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 He's trying to get McDonald's workers £28k a year salaries Starting salary for a nurse is £24k Policeman £20-23k Fireman £22k Teacher £24k Because McDonald's are a hugely profitable company they should pay their unskilled unqualified staff more money? That's bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He's trying to get McDonald's workers £28k a year salaries Starting salary for a nurse is £24k Policeman £20-23k Fireman £22k Teacher £24k Because McDonald's are a hugely profitable company they should pay their unskilled unqualified staff more money? That's bollocks The starting salaries in those professions is way too low and has been pretty much stagnant since 2010. You throw another 10k+ onto those staring salaries then 28k for someone working at McDonalds seems perfectly reasonable. The Tories have presided over a race to the bottom culture for the masses but it doesn't have to be like that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 That's the problem with encouraging McDonald's workers to strike over pay If he wins and presides over government what happens when everyone who gets paid from that government does the same! Everyone in the country getting a £10k pay rise? Cool, I'm sure that's realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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