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Meanwhile Corbyn is suggesting nationalising football. I understand a group of people can work on more than one thing at a time, but come on for ****'s sake, priorities?!

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Its just left wing popularism at this stage, nationalise essentially everything he says, won't happen if he were ever in power.

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18 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Meanwhile Corbyn is suggesting nationalising football. I understand a group of people can work on more than one thing at a time, but come on for ****'s sake, priorities?!

2 day week and loads of strikers?

Bring it on.

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In principle, I’m all for nationalisation. The idea being that everyone benefits instead of a select few - it’s not a bad thing at the core.

The problem of course is the execution, being able to employ good people in strategic roles and keeping them there for a sustained period of time whilst also keeping them motivated to perform.

The price of services like transport can be more fairly regulated without worrying about satisfying shareholders and investors.

Capitalism can’t survive forever, the wider the gap gets between the haves and the have-nots will eventually result on some form of serious civil unrest and let’s not forget, its possible the whole thing could implode anyway, if there was a serious global recession it could break down.

 

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19 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

In principle, I’m all for nationalisation. The idea being that everyone benefits instead of a select few - it’s not a bad thing at the core.

The problem of course is the execution, being able to employ good people in strategic roles and keeping them there for a sustained period of time whilst also keeping them motivated to perform.

The price of services like transport can be more fairly regulated without worrying about satisfying shareholders and investors.

Capitalism can’t survive forever, the wider the gap gets between the haves and the have-nots will eventually result on some form of serious civil unrest and let’s not forget, its possible the whole thing could implode anyway, if there was a serious global recession it could break down.

 

There are far more example of socialism breaking down.  That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure.

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11 minutes ago, Risso said:

There are far more example of socialism breaking down.  That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure.

Well we need to find a new ism then, I just think it gets a bum rap sometimes because of past mistakes and an idea that nothing beyond a currency driven society can work.

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14 minutes ago, Risso said:

There are far more example of socialism breaking down.  That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure.

As much as I agree with you, I'm not sure there have been many examples of socialism in power. I've never considered any of the Communist Bloc countries as socialist but on the wider point I wholeheartedly agree, it will not work

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On 06/10/2019 at 16:18, Risso said:

There are far more example of socialism breaking down.  That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure.

It sort of depends on how you define it, really, maybe. There's been various corrupt, disfunctional South American type failures. Then there's the non-democratic Eastern bloc type examples.

If you take democratic, western examples, then much less so, if at all. The various Scandinavian examples seem to many like the "right" (or at least a better) way to run a country/society. Sure everywhere on earth will have its problems, but the Scandi nations have been good examples of social democratic government.

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25 minutes ago, blandy said:

but the Scandi nations have been good examples of social democratic government.

the" Heritage index of economic freedom " ranks the Scandi nations  in the Top 30 most capitalist countries in the world (private property rights, privately owned companies , commitments to free trade  etc )

if we look at  Sweden as an example  , it  does still have high taxes and welfare benefits  ( everyone gets free education, free medical , free eldercare  far as i know) but  I'm not sure  it's a cut and dried example of  a "good  SD government " ... since the 80's  social spending has been declining ,  estates taxes were scrapped   , corporation tax over there has dropped from 30% to 22% (at one point it was as high as 57%) , as a result since the 1980's Sweden's inequality rate grew by 30%

as you say , It kinda depends on how you define it

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2 hours ago, Ingram85 said:

Corbyn finally giving a leaders speech in Northampton at the moment. 

He lets himself down when he talks about the 2nd referendum.  He and it sound absolutely mental.

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59 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

He lets himself down when he talks

Think you could have ended your sentence there tbh :)

 

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Think we discussed one of those at the time when parliament came back  , I thought he was  flustered and rattled  , others saw it as anger directed towards the government and a good performance

tbf ,when it comes to Corbyn I am biased but even allowing for that I wasn't impressed , i thought Blackford's performance that same day was far more impressive  , more measured and much calmer

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Blackford is a better orator, he's hamstrung by the fact you're waiting for the punchline each time he speaks - an independent Scotland will inevitably be invoked, as you'd expect, so you just sit waiting for it.

Corbyn's better when he has passion for something. Unfortunately that isn't the case with Brexit and that is the biggest story of the day, but when he speaks about stuff that riles him he's far better than normal. He'll never be a great orator but he has a straightforward plodding manner that plainly puts across his points.

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Ah I see the Merseyside focus is moving away from the lamentable Wavertree CLP to the West Derby CLP who appear to have been walked all over by the National Party in their selection process for their soon to be vacant seat. Some people have been left off the list and some people havebeen allowed on the list. The local party say this is because of those peoples affiliations and have condemned the actions of the National Party. One local party member has descibed it as democracy for the few not the many.

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5 hours ago, bickster said:

Ah I see the Merseyside focus is moving away from the lamentable Wavertree CLP to the West Derby CLP who appear to have been walked all over by the National Party in their selection process for their soon to be vacant seat. Some people have been left off the list and some people havebeen allowed on the list. The local party say this is because of those peoples affiliations and have condemned the actions of the National Party. One local party member has descibed it as democracy for the few not the many.

And the opposite has happened in the City of Durham seat. The left candidate hasn't been long listed, despite having the support of a large portion of the exec of her CLP, support from the members and branches, as well as the backing of local union officials. 

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4 minutes ago, dAVe80 said:

And the opposite has happened in the City of Durham seat. The left candidate hasn't been long listed, despite having the support of a large portion of the exec of her CLP, support from the members and branches, as well as the backing of local union officials. 

Just been reading something very similar happened in Enfield North.

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Facing deselection, suddenly decides she can't contemplate her long-term leader becoming PM, goes for the low blow as reasoning.

I'm sure she'll be missed.

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