Davkaus Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Meanwhile Corbyn is suggesting nationalising football. I understand a group of people can work on more than one thing at a time, but come on for ****'s sake, priorities?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Its just left wing popularism at this stage, nationalise essentially everything he says, won't happen if he were ever in power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Meanwhile Corbyn is suggesting nationalising football. I understand a group of people can work on more than one thing at a time, but come on for ****'s sake, priorities?! 2 day week and loads of strikers? Bring it on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 In principle, I’m all for nationalisation. The idea being that everyone benefits instead of a select few - it’s not a bad thing at the core. The problem of course is the execution, being able to employ good people in strategic roles and keeping them there for a sustained period of time whilst also keeping them motivated to perform. The price of services like transport can be more fairly regulated without worrying about satisfying shareholders and investors. Capitalism can’t survive forever, the wider the gap gets between the haves and the have-nots will eventually result on some form of serious civil unrest and let’s not forget, its possible the whole thing could implode anyway, if there was a serious global recession it could break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: In principle, I’m all for nationalisation. The idea being that everyone benefits instead of a select few - it’s not a bad thing at the core. The problem of course is the execution, being able to employ good people in strategic roles and keeping them there for a sustained period of time whilst also keeping them motivated to perform. The price of services like transport can be more fairly regulated without worrying about satisfying shareholders and investors. Capitalism can’t survive forever, the wider the gap gets between the haves and the have-nots will eventually result on some form of serious civil unrest and let’s not forget, its possible the whole thing could implode anyway, if there was a serious global recession it could break down. There are far more example of socialism breaking down. That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Risso said: There are far more example of socialism breaking down. That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure. Well we need to find a new ism then, I just think it gets a bum rap sometimes because of past mistakes and an idea that nothing beyond a currency driven society can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 6, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Risso said: There are far more example of socialism breaking down. That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure. As much as I agree with you, I'm not sure there have been many examples of socialism in power. I've never considered any of the Communist Bloc countries as socialist but on the wider point I wholeheartedly agree, it will not work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Corbyn finally giving a leaders speech in Northampton at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 06/10/2019 at 16:18, Risso said: There are far more example of socialism breaking down. That's the one 'ism' that's doomed to failure. It sort of depends on how you define it, really, maybe. There's been various corrupt, disfunctional South American type failures. Then there's the non-democratic Eastern bloc type examples. If you take democratic, western examples, then much less so, if at all. The various Scandinavian examples seem to many like the "right" (or at least a better) way to run a country/society. Sure everywhere on earth will have its problems, but the Scandi nations have been good examples of social democratic government. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, blandy said: but the Scandi nations have been good examples of social democratic government. the" Heritage index of economic freedom " ranks the Scandi nations in the Top 30 most capitalist countries in the world (private property rights, privately owned companies , commitments to free trade etc ) if we look at Sweden as an example , it does still have high taxes and welfare benefits ( everyone gets free education, free medical , free eldercare far as i know) but I'm not sure it's a cut and dried example of a "good SD government " ... since the 80's social spending has been declining , estates taxes were scrapped , corporation tax over there has dropped from 30% to 22% (at one point it was as high as 57%) , as a result since the 1980's Sweden's inequality rate grew by 30% as you say , It kinda depends on how you define it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Ingram85 said: Corbyn finally giving a leaders speech in Northampton at the moment. He lets himself down when he talks about the 2nd referendum. He and it sound absolutely mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: He lets himself down when he talks Think you could have ended your sentence there tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 10, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2019 His speeches recently have been pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Think we discussed one of those at the time when parliament came back , I thought he was flustered and rattled , others saw it as anger directed towards the government and a good performance tbf ,when it comes to Corbyn I am biased but even allowing for that I wasn't impressed , i thought Blackford's performance that same day was far more impressive , more measured and much calmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 10, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2019 Blackford is a better orator, he's hamstrung by the fact you're waiting for the punchline each time he speaks - an independent Scotland will inevitably be invoked, as you'd expect, so you just sit waiting for it. Corbyn's better when he has passion for something. Unfortunately that isn't the case with Brexit and that is the biggest story of the day, but when he speaks about stuff that riles him he's far better than normal. He'll never be a great orator but he has a straightforward plodding manner that plainly puts across his points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 16, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2019 Ah I see the Merseyside focus is moving away from the lamentable Wavertree CLP to the West Derby CLP who appear to have been walked all over by the National Party in their selection process for their soon to be vacant seat. Some people have been left off the list and some people havebeen allowed on the list. The local party say this is because of those peoples affiliations and have condemned the actions of the National Party. One local party member has descibed it as democracy for the few not the many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The latest Labour MP to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, bickster said: Ah I see the Merseyside focus is moving away from the lamentable Wavertree CLP to the West Derby CLP who appear to have been walked all over by the National Party in their selection process for their soon to be vacant seat. Some people have been left off the list and some people havebeen allowed on the list. The local party say this is because of those peoples affiliations and have condemned the actions of the National Party. One local party member has descibed it as democracy for the few not the many. And the opposite has happened in the City of Durham seat. The left candidate hasn't been long listed, despite having the support of a large portion of the exec of her CLP, support from the members and branches, as well as the backing of local union officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: And the opposite has happened in the City of Durham seat. The left candidate hasn't been long listed, despite having the support of a large portion of the exec of her CLP, support from the members and branches, as well as the backing of local union officials. Just been reading something very similar happened in Enfield North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 16, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2019 Facing deselection, suddenly decides she can't contemplate her long-term leader becoming PM, goes for the low blow as reasoning. I'm sure she'll be missed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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