Sam-AVFC Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 hours ago, mjmooney said: 1. Leave (no deal) 2. Leave (some form of a deal, let's say the Theresa May one, for tbe sake of argument) 3. Remain The above wording would enrage the Leavers, as it would split the Leave vote and usher in a Remain win, with quite possibly a smaller number than the combined Leave votes. (All fine by me, but I can't see them daring to do it). Section 1: Leave/Remain Section 2: If the result for Section 1 is Leave, would you prefer the agreed deal/no deal. Or you could do the same with a ranking vote. You could probably assume all those voting remain would take any deal over no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 All or nothing, No deal or Remain. We'll be here another 10 years negotiating a deal and getting one through parliament as being allowed on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: All or nothing, No deal or Remain. We'll be here another 10 years negotiating a deal and getting one through parliament as being allowed on the ballot. I'd prefer waiting another decade than to still be negotiating our way out of WTO terms with some countries in three! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: I'd prefer waiting another decade than to still be negotiating our way out of WTO terms with some countries in three! Yeah but No Deal wouldn't win surely, we'd actually have an adequate remain campaign this time. And if it did still win then as a nation we'd deserve everything we get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 24, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2019 30 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Yeah but No Deal wouldn't win surely, we'd actually have an adequate remain campaign this time You've seen the Labour Conference? The LibDems would have to lead the remain team with the bulk of Labour MPs playing their tune The Tories would again lead the Leave team with Farage leading the No Deal 2nd Team Meanwhile Jeremy and his cohorts will be riding around the country of a shiny white unicorn talking to the trees 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: All or nothing, No deal or Remain. We'll be here another 10 years negotiating a deal and getting one through parliament as being allowed on the ballot. No offence, but that's a really bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Is there anything more cringe worthy than the incessant 'oooo Jeremy Corbyn' chants? Talk about cult of personality. Yes there is, some silly old bat just called LBC and called Farage our Winston Churchill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Yes there is, some silly old bat just called LBC and called Farage our Winston Churchill An alcoholic happy to switch parties as soon as he thinks it'll benefit him who wants to throw British / Irish relations under a bus? (said in jest, obvs.) Edited September 24, 2019 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 The Supreme Court ruling has taken some heat out of this thread... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Risso Posted September 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 23/09/2019 at 11:40, tonyh29 said: Private schools aren't just for the elite ... you're making the mistake of thinking Eton typifies every private school , most of the people at my children's schools are from middle class families like myself seeking to give their children a decent education , we don't have any toffs being driven around by chauffeurs just waiting for a top job at Lloyds of London ... this policy has been worded to make you think of Cameron , Johnson , Mogg etc and ignite a class war against posh white boys ..its already backfiring and that's before people start legal challenges as is the current trend Spot on Tony. This policy is designed to have a go at the perceived "Posh Boys" from Eton and Harrow, when the vast, vast majority of families with kids at private schools are nothing like at all. At the two nearest private senior schools to us, at least half the kids are from Asian backgrounds, and nearly all the parents are ordinary people who have just made a decision that they're going to spend some of their hard earned on what they perceive as a better education. There's no "old school tie" network or any of that bollocks. If Labour want to stop the "elite" from Eton and the like hoovering up jobs in government, then this sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut policy isn't the way to go about it. I play football on a Tuesday night (not tonight, bad back) with a dozen or so dads from our youngest daughters' school, and their jobs include the following: A&E doctor, pub owner, children's play centre owner, joinery business owner, solar panel installation business, IT director, car group MD, etc. No hedge fund billionaires, no MPs, nobody who even went to private school themselves. It's not like the Rees-Moggs of this world are going to start sending their kids to a comp in Tower Hamlets if private schools have their assets seized by the government. They're still going to live in the nicer parts of the world and send their kids to better schools because they can afford to live in nicer towns. Apparently even McDonnell wasn't happy with the wording of the policy, which tells you everything you need to know about it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2019 Good old Wavertree CLP, can't help themselves. No problems in the party at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 So, while I personally consider this to be A Good Thing, what exactly is the point now of a "Labour negotiated deal"? They're fully signed up to a Customs Union, Single Market alignment, and now all four freedoms of the EU. So apart from "the removal of all our representation in Council, Parliament and Commission" what exactly are they negotiating to get? Or to put it another way, in May 2020 What is Prime Minister Corbyn's response in interviews during the referendum campaign when he is asked "why have you bothered to do this?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, ml1dch said: "why have you bothered to do this?" I hope his answer is that he was tilting at windmills astride his magnificent silvery unicorn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ml1dch said: So, while I personally consider this to be A Good Thing, what exactly is the point now of a "Labour negotiated deal"? They're fully signed up to a Customs Union, Single Market alignment, and now all four freedoms of the EU. So apart from "the removal of all our representation in Council, Parliament and Commission" what exactly are they negotiating to get? Or to put it another way, in May 2020 What is Prime Minister Corbyn's response in interviews during the referendum campaign when he is asked "why have you bothered to do this?" Weren't freedom of movement and recourse of public funds essentially the concessions Cameron asked the EU for and lost * that then resulted in the referendum being called ? now as we already know 17 million people aren't all racists but then again , that's a heck of a risky policy Edit - * Lost might be the wrong term here , I seem to recall he did get some concessions but was pretty much ridiculed back home over them ? Edited September 25, 2019 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Weren't freedom of movement and recourse of public funds essentially the concessions Cameron asked the EU for and lost that then resulted in the referendum being called ? now as we already know 17 million people aren't all racists but then again , that's a heck of a risky policy That electoral sweet spot between really risky and really pointless. As I said, who are they selling that deal to, how, and most importantly why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Edited September 25, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2019 Whenever you see Corbyn speak live and directly, without the opinion of others between you and him, I always find he's quietly impressive. A pity we have the media we do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 25, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2019 Corbyn often does better at the dispatch box than he's given credit for. He's not an orator by any means but he does straight forward points well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 If you judged a man by his enemies?... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Having watched Johnson’s appalling performance tonight, Corbyn is looking like the moderate option in any General Election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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