peterms Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I believe the former, though I'm not 100% sure. Yes, I think you're right. About 40 years too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2019 Just as the Tory Party are imploding in full view of the public... the timing couldn't have been better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 8 hours ago, bickster said: Just as the Tory Party are imploding in full view of the public... the timing couldn't have been better. Discussions on trigger ballots, at branch and affiliate level will be happening in every CLP. It certainly is in mine, because I'm an affiliate delegate to my CLP through my union, and I've been asked to look after proceedings, from my union's end. This was set in motion way before the nightmare Boris scenario occurred though, but regional Labour bodies are currently instructing CLPs on the time table. It's happening because the membership wants it, and it's democratic. There is still a chance however that if a general election is called in the next couple of weeks, and there's no time for the full process to happen, the NEC will just run with incumbents again, like last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2019 Another one for the stupidly bold claims file Laudable as the sentiment is, they will never achieve this We have two city centre shelters for the homeless in Liverpool, one run in conjunction with the council, the other by a charity run by one of the large property owners in the city centre (Hotels they run themselves mainly). Even in the cold of winter they cannot get everyone to stay in the hostels, despite there being room. to claim you will end rough sleeping across the UK in one parliamentary term is absolute nonsense. Liverpool's Labour council have been trying to get rough sleepers off the street for longer than that and they've been funding all manner of issues to that end, they still haven't managed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, bickster said: Another one for the stupidly bold claims file Laudable as the sentiment is, they will never achieve this We have two city centre shelters for the homeless in Liverpool, one run in conjunction with the council, the other by a charity run by one of the large property owners in the city centre (Hotels they run themselves mainly). Even in the cold of winter they cannot get everyone to stay in the hostels, despite there being room. to claim you will end rough sleeping across the UK in one parliamentary term is absolute nonsense. Liverpool's Labour council have been trying to get rough sleepers off the street for longer than that and they've been funding all manner of issues to that end, they still haven't managed it Can they end poverty and world hunger while they are at it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, bickster said: Another one for the stupidly bold claims file Laudable as the sentiment is, they will never achieve this We have two city centre shelters for the homeless in Liverpool, one run in conjunction with the council, the other by a charity run by one of the large property owners in the city centre (Hotels they run themselves mainly). Even in the cold of winter they cannot get everyone to stay in the hostels, despite there being room. to claim you will end rough sleeping across the UK in one parliamentary term is absolute nonsense. Liverpool's Labour council have been trying to get rough sleepers off the street for longer than that and they've been funding all manner of issues to that end, they still haven't managed it I'm glad they care about the issue, but you're right that it's complete pie in the sky. There used to be a couple of elderly people (brother & sister) in my home town who inherited a house, but over a period of a few decades still preferred to live on the street and fill the house with overflowing carrier bags of whatever they could get their hands on. Edited September 9, 2019 by Sam-AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: I'm glad they care about the issue, but you're right that it's complete pie in the sky Exactly my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 There will always be people sleeping rough because they want to be or they're so antisocial the hostels won't take them in. I don't think that covers homelessness more than doubling in the 5 years to 2018, and neither do the homeless charities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Can they end poverty and world hunger while they are at it? sure 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 9, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2019 Clearly, it's a silly claim. But at least they'll try, which the Tories never will. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Clearly, it's a silly claim. But at least they'll try, which the Tories never will. They might try, but they will fail. They might even open new ministries and departments for fighting homelessness. I'm sure that will help those poor people in the streets. Chuck some money at the problem (it always looks good in the press), the Corbynite labour shall prevail all evil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Clearly, it's a silly claim. But at least they'll try, which the Tories never will. Exactly. Homelessness, like so many of societies ills will only be eased if the effort and will is there to start with. Thatchers children, like her, probably think there is no such thing as society anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mic09 said: They might try, but they will fail. They might even open new ministries and departments for fighting homelessness. I'm sure that will help those poor people in the streets. Chuck some money at the problem (it always looks good in the press), the Corbynite labour shall prevail all evil! Are you even aware that homelessness has increased dramatically under the last 10 years of Tory rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, meregreen said: Are you even aware that homelessness has increased dramatically under the last 10 years of Tory rule. It has. And I am no more fond of the Tory policy on this subject then I am of the proposed Labour plans. Edited September 9, 2019 by Mic09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 On 06/09/2019 at 12:55, desensitized43 said: Emily Thorberry Possibly the most stupid person in the Brexit mess. No self awareness or logic whatsoever. I watch her and I don't actually think her brain can cope with it anymore, it's tearing itself apart in there like a lonely dying planet. 40% of her brain wants an election to get some power, 35% wants to remain and 22% is well up to negotiate a withdrawal deal that''s right for Britain with the EU and 15% wants to leave + the input from Steptoe. She's gonna blow people, She's F****** mental no matter what side of the argument you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, meregreen said: Are you even aware that homelessness has increased dramatically under the last 10 years of Tory rule. Also, why does it have to be one or the other? Who even said anything about Tories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, meregreen said: Exactly. Homelessness, like so many of societies ills will only be eased if the effort and will is there to start with. Thatchers children, like her, probably think there is no such thing as society anyway. This isn't in dispute. The point is they shouldn't claim they'll do the impossible, people are less likely to believe their more probable claims I have no issue with Labour attempting to reduce homelessness, I applaud it. But it would take a special kind of person to believe that the Labour Party will eradicate the problem in 5 years. Not one poster here believes they will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Also, why does it have to be one or the other? Who even said anything about Tories? Because they are in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Because they are in power. So a critique of Labour policy has to fall short because Tories are in power. I don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, bickster said: I have no issue with Labour attempting to reduce homelessness, I applaud it. But it would take a special kind of person to believe that the Labour Party will eradicate the problem in 5 years. Not one poster here believes they will I am a bit more sceptical of the general population and I think that millions of voters will believe it - it's a nice soundbite. But the two biggest parliamentary forces are much alike when it comes to outrageous claims like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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